power conditioning question gentlemen


      I,m considering a power conditioner /surge unit ,Two sunfire subs,nu vista intergrated(draws some juice) ,transport,dac,tt, phono section (dc-ac i may just plug in wall)  .Dedicated 20amp run directly to room x 2 hospital grade rec. I have been looking into richard grays,furman ref,shunyata etc.I have a unique set up here in nor cal.I am completley off grid!,I run a serious solar and res set up with a genny back up.The power is pretty consistant although during changes in genny start up or at time it does fluctuate a little .I never hear it or have never measured a spiked it drops slightly during those milliseconds.I would like to snag a used one in the 1k range .
thoughts??

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Folkfreak i perfer used .. Mark ar core says his 1800 w torrodial would do wonders . Dual 60 out of phase .. 1500 retail . He was a nice guy . Anythoughts .. I dont feel i sufffer from the same issues in ac others do just feel like sometimes my amp is sucking thru a straw maybe just my mind lol 
I have seen the core power not in person though .. I have a 16kwh battery backup it was 10k not lithium it wasn't in vogue yet( 3yrs  old flawless matenence)  .. Last i checked when electrician was there i remember 117 hz i will double check . Thd honesty dont know how to check that . When the genny fires on it is only charging the batteries 12kw . It also has other leads that send power only when on , hence the size .. But when it goes off i can see a slight flicker in the florescent bulbs . I rarely run my 2-2 when its either low or not being charged . Sun or gen i have a meter in kitchen % amps volts . Ht room hairdryrs microwave electric lg fridge plasmas on  no sweat . I know my amp can deliver 40amps of power sometimes i feel like it may be starving when im rocking . Never hear anything just my mind wondering .
              Inna i would have zero problems plugging the subs into the wall but the amp which has an external power supply tt and phono sec i would like to address ..
Thoughts please  
Table . Unique yes for here . I have a full ht room 120" epson 7-1 rips class d though .. As for my 2-2 its tricky i have alit of bks locked up in stuff and cables etc . I dont want to change my sound or power persa' i just want it available when i ask and have it protected on some level
Falconquest,i agree ,i do not feel like i am in need of "conditioning my power its generated 100’away and is very clean.I am interested in my novice terms. "a supply of water storage so when im using 1gallon a min and open a valve i can get 3 gallon instantly" as an example . That why i,m thinking torrodial my amp alone is 1200 watts . mark at core in the short time we spoke while i was driving offered an 1800w for 1500 retail he said its 60/60 reversed polarity something like that its out of my wheel house.My amp can produce 40amps peak output and i just feel like its sucking thru a straw sometimes when everything is rolling heavy , maybe in my mind .i would also like a surge protection of some kind .Does any of this make sense ? the future is alternative power ,so i am cutting edge lol ;)
My buddy has well into 6figure in a serious offgrid setup and he has dropped probly 10 k on furman ref units .I just don.t know if thats the key for me ...
opinions please
    I have little fear of catasphophic failure .my system is only on when im listening.The furman ref is in my range i see them for a g used as the grays .but the core intrigues me because of the toroidial transformer .. surge may be an issue or even a ("under"  lack of power
surge lol) 
anyone ?
ok guys ,the last cple hrs have been spent researching this subject and i,m back to ground zero.It’s like frikin interconnects so many opinions, i am a believer in interconnects proper interconnects for the setup .So what is confusing is the difference in the units over the obvious.Say shunyatas  conditioner but has reserve peak power,core just peak power,richard gray has alot of reserve power but is also a conditioner.so my question is "conditioning power" if my power is clean why change it? this seems to be the big arguement,what is actually taking place to change my sound that a reserve of power like a cores torroidial isnt doing .And here i thought i was a pretty smart guy duhh
     inna thanks,  but i,m quite happy with what i have now . I have had alot of seperates to many to list and intergrateds 32yrs in high end .I like where i'm sitting at this point for where my life is at this time.I do not believe that is my issue at all .I believe most of it is in my head ,but i do believe i need a way to keep constant voltage to my gear regardless of the minor power glitches i have,It just makes me nervous.I,m just a guy who like a pretty decent setup ( for here ) and also have a seperate 7:2 Ht room. for the family . I am as you know a musician first so my heart lies with my paul reed smiths,marshall tubes and my vintage les pauls.

        I am also very into metal work and build custom hotrods and motorcycles among having a new born..lol I am spread thin so i will stick with this hand for now.Although i do miss my pv12  among others that i lost in my fire. but not my lp12  i love my classic ;)  
"One mans floor is anothers ceiling"....lol 
    Thanks guys, especially eric you always seem to have a valid suggestion.I know my system may not be in the 6 digits but it is dam nice and my modded nuvista punches way above its 5k retail back in the day.if anything it certainly has power at 275 a side and 40 peak amps.I love my adagios there reviews speak for themselves.
      I can say i will order a cple smp and run them in my ht room immediatley .I always unplug every audio ac plug when not in use .I have never had a surge on this setup in 6 yrs.If anything like i said its a milliseconds fall off when the genny shuts off .The genny again only charges the batteries it does not provide power to my house.As i said it does have some legs off it to run additional things around my ranch only when runningif i need the big juice. .
 
    These work only when the genny is running and are not ! in my house,spring house or my 500sq ft tree house 30' in a giant redwood( guest house with a zipline to my pond ) .I can run a large 220v compressor on my batts but when it starts my lights show it for a millisecond. This is a real deal setup over 80 k.

      Lak ,i believe you are correct,i do not need to condition my power imo.I just was thinking what beneifit if any i would achieve if i had a toroidial type set up directly next to my amp to provide instant juice if nessasary and  to delete that slight flutter when it switches.The genny is on an autostart,when the voltage drops to roughly 70% battery it starts auto and takes it to 100% i can have  normal type things running like fridge, 55tv, pond pumps, fans, microwave, etc etc for hrs and hrs .In the summer, like know i could have probly 7 k rollin all day for zzippp! My genny may run for a cple hrs here and there once a night always,rarely before dark,even when im in my studio playing music.
 
      There isn,t even a pole for power within 7miles of my ranch.I'm 12 miles from a 4light town, 40miles from a wallmart and 120 from a real airport. There are alot of musicians that hide out up here and nobody even knows. :-)  many retired late 60-70s frisco musicians .I will not say who :-)
But alot where at woodstock lol

  Thanks again for the input,has anyone tried one of these Core setups from mark? or the powerblock thing gray had 400 ,1200 etc.I know they may be useless if your not in my situation or so people say ,again i think i may like it..




Thanks man now thats is some good info .. How about these core units they are 60/60 out of phase or something like that ... 1800 w is 1500 bks mark seemed to tjink it would work well 
thanks again for your time 
Again i hear nothing to indicate any sound issue . I just question the available flow and want to address the slight flutter or drop off at switch over I beleive the core ant that pt2400 furman are in my wheelhouse 
Eric any thoughts on the core i value your input. In your opinion your thinking the pt 2400 furman
then r gray ( which ) ?
Core ??
Falcon thank you . are you speaking in terms of the ,furman,core,shunyata,and gray products.. Or just in general with all equipment.. Again thanks for the tips i really appreciate the advice .. 
String and inna ,
I’m getting a little flustered over the comments about my system .. I dont really care to much if you think my system is up to your standards really . Also i started this thread for advice not critisism .. Funny how im using vpi acoustic zen mf nuvista benz bel canto cambridge audio and great cables and my system isn’t up to par . I laugh at that . Because i dont have 100k in it ? ..
hilarious .. My question was about power and off grid setups . Shame on me ..i feel so inferior.. If you only knew me lmao .. Thanks for all your help :)

Thanks ivan i will . Solar dc to ac power should be very clean when done well ...
eric any thoughts in my question?

Cool thanks erik it's obvious you like the 2400 furman im looking into it much more closely. Thanks again 
Its not free lol .. Of  course its all relative . In audio sometimes it becomes a little too much for me thats why i got away from it .. Too much keeping up with the jones spend spend spend it becomes diminished return . At some point you have to breath and release whether you have 5k or 500k involved 
Erik i have all satalitte  phone too .. 

Falcon the core im speaking of is new this mnth mark is making  a 1200 w and a 1800 watt unit torodial 
    I'm liking it Erik ,it's at the top of the list for the bks.Although i will wait to talk to mark from Core he said they are making a new setup.I do like the 20 amp i only have 7 plugs.
 Also i pm you  ....
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Anyone mess with the torus set ups?