Shunyata or Synergistic for power conditioning?


Hi,
Please forgive me if this is not the correct topic location to post about power-conditioning since the two brands I am interested in are famous cable manufacturers.

Comparing "Denali" and "Powercell 12 UEF" ; anyone who has tried both and can share opinions?

i like open clear dynamic sound. Smooth high frequency is also important.
Thank you.
hamburger
Hamburger, I have the feeling that you are going to have to find a dealer that carries both brands and listen for yourself and/or have them describe what they hear, and the differences.

lak is correct. That's the only way to do it. If you live in the US, call The Cable Company. They can send you demo's of both units. 
Sorry I cannot comment on the comparison but I own the 12UEF and could not be more pleased. However the Denali is also a very well reviewed unit and one I would be happy to own. Based solely on ease of use and my beliefs on synergy my advice would be that if you already have a lot of SR kit then go with the 12UEF but otherwise choose the Denali, if only for the plug supports which are a godsend, and something I have to improvise on my 12 UEF. One material consideration is that the Denalis do not come with a power cord, that actually makes them much more expensive if you do not have a spare suitable cord (in the $2-3K range) handy. Hope this helps. You can find my experience with the 12UEF here

Thank you guys!
The problem is that both products are sold by different retailers and both do not have the products for home trial.

That aside, I appreciate the kind advice from folkfreak from a "holistic" angle of owning a particular product. I own neither SR nor Shunyata products currently. I think SR has more products in their arsenal (Tranquility, grounding, etc)...

My cables are all HiDiamond.  Will the HD3 power cord from wall to Denali work well, I wonder. 
@hamburger;
I recently purchased the Shunyata Denali D2000T.
The HD3 power cord (I use to own a D3 and D4) will work on the Denali but you will need a 20 amp IEC feeding the Denali. If you don't own a 20 amp IEC power cord you could buy an adapter 15 to 20 amp IEC from VooDoo Cable for example: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-voodoo-cable-iec-adapters-15-amp-or-20-amp-cryo-treated-...
They do work very well and I have never experienced any loss of sound quality.
I found a gem in the rough that I'm currently using to power my Denali, it's the Silver Ghost power cord: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-6-silver-ghost-custom-made-silver-rhodium-woven-power-co...
I had a custom Silver Ghost made with 20 amp Wattgate IEC's. It's a very good power cord that is relatively inexpensive, but competes with power cords easily costing thousands of dollars in my opinion, and I have owned those power cords. BTW the Ghost power cords are built with impeccable craftsmanship, I'm very impressed and just ordered a second one last night. Being cryogenlitcy treated, they do take some break in hours.
I'm in no way connected to or benifit from any of the manufactures mentioned above, I'm just trying to pass on my thoughts to anyone that reads this.
Happy New Years to all!
"Based solely on ease of use and my beliefs on synergy my advice would be that if you already have a lot of SR kit then go with the 12UEF..."

folkfreak,

I find this to be so true with the SR products. Perhaps this, aside from the obvious value offered, is why SR includes their power cord and receptacle with each Powercell 12.

hamburger,

If you are open to other considerations, the Audioquest Niagara 7000 and the Running Springs Audio Dmitri have been recommended by several credible audiophiles here and elsewhere.

Best to you both,
Dave


Hi lak,

How does the Silver Ghost compare to the Cerious cords?

Best to you lak,
Dave
Dave, I think on the power conditioner and my Integrated amp I prefer the Silver Ghost over the Blue and/or Yellow CT power cords. I will say that I need more listening time to be more spacific. And of course I still believe the CT cords are very good and I still use my Blue and Yellow since I'm working with two systems.

Thanks lak. Update us on your impressions as you get more time with the cords.

Best to you lak,
Dave
" How does the Silver Ghost compare to the Cerious cords?"

The problem with power products in general, is that results are not consistent. Its hard to predict what a PC will sound like from system to system. If you can't use Cable Company and have no way to demo, you may want to consider JPS Labs Digital AC for entry to mid level digital components, and either ESP Essence or Richard Grey PC's. I've used both the ESP and RGPC with hundreds of components over the years, and never had a situation where they did damage. The JPS is designed to deal with some of the issues that arise low to mid cost digital components.
Hi lak,
Thanks for letting me know about your positive experience of the HD3 on Denali, but you have moved on to the Silver Ghost.  Since I already have the HD3 (sunk cost), I hope to make full use of it with whatever conditioner.  Could you let me know how the HD3 differs from the Silver Ghost cables, sonic wise?

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your recommendation of Niagara 7000 and the Dimitri.  I will check them out.

Enjoy your music!
Hi hb,

I am a huge fan of the SR Powercell, so I notice when credible others say that they like another unit better after owning a Powercell 10UEF or 12UEF. The 7000 and the RSA are the only two I have seen this with when compared with the 10UEF. The 7000 is much more expensive and requires a separate cord, but RSA offers their top cord as an option with the Dimitri, making it comparable to the top-tier Powercell 12UEF in price/value.

Looking forward to reading what you do.

Best to you hb,
Dave
Regarding the Dmitri -- it’s a good conditioner, I used to own one, but not in the same league as current models such as the 12UEF and the Denali. Also in my experience the Dmitri will not sound good with power amps if that is where you want to use it. If on the other hand you primarily want it for sources and get it 2nd hand (they are widely available) then it could work well. By the same token you can also get very good deals on second hand older models from SR and Shunyata as well ...

The Niagara is worth checking but substantially more expensive then the other two options -- I suspect all of these things cost more in Singapore where I think you are

In the US at least with the dealers I deal with they should be prepared to let you borrow the demo model and trial it at home, Bear in mind that with power components such as these it may take many days for them to settle -- every time I unplug my SR kit it takes at least 24-48 hours for the cables to settle in again (likely a result of the active shielding to reestablish). And of course unplugging and replugging your components is likely very awkward.
folkfreak is one of the "credible others", so I would take his comments as gospel.

lak also. Can't go wrong with advice from these two.

Dave
Thanks but Gospel may be taking it a bit too far 😇

Seriously hamburger as it seems you are new to the power conditioning business I’d buy second hand to start with, learn what works for you and then trade up from there. There’s next to no risk of getting a lemon when it comes to buying a power conditioner -- I’ve bought and sold many over the years. Buying new, especially without being able to compare, will simply mean you lose a load in depreciation straight away. And any money you save you can use to upgrade power cords (again the key is to find a line you like and move in that, the SR atmosphere cords are actually a good price and easy to use but unfortunately still rare used). I also like AQ WEL cords and you should see loads of these appear in the second hand market soon when AQ bring out their new power cord line
Humility becomes you, folkfreak.

It is indeed rare IME to find someone as experienced and knowledgeable as you that is willing to pass along solid, balanced advice to those a step or two (or more) behind you merely at the asking.

Let me know if you decide to let those WEL speaker cables go.

Best to you folkfreak and Happy New Year,
Dave
Dlcockrun, thanks for your kind words...

Seems to me that jmcgrogan2 (another very credible source as there are many on Audiogon) has actually owned a couple of the power conditioners being discussed here and I’m sure he would have some good information to share.

Hamburger, you can’t go wrong with the HD P3. At this point in time I believe the Silver Ghost (high current) produces a wider, deeper sound stage and more micro detail presented in a very musical fasion.