Hamburger, I have the feeling that you are going to have to find a dealer that carries both brands and listen for yourself and/or have them describe what they hear, and the differences.
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Sorry I cannot comment on the comparison but I own the 12UEF and could not be more pleased. However the Denali is also a very well reviewed unit and one I would be happy to own. Based solely on ease of use and my beliefs on synergy my advice would be that if you already have a lot of SR kit then go with the 12UEF but otherwise choose the Denali, if only for the plug supports which are a godsend, and something I have to improvise on my 12 UEF. One material consideration is that the Denalis do not come with a power cord, that actually makes them much more expensive if you do not have a spare suitable cord (in the $2-3K range) handy. Hope this helps. You can find my experience with the 12UEF here
Thank you guys!
The problem is that both products are sold by different retailers and both do not have the products for home trial.
That aside, I appreciate the kind advice from folkfreak from a "holistic" angle of owning a particular product. I own neither SR nor Shunyata products currently. I think SR has more products in their arsenal (Tranquility, grounding, etc)...
My cables are all HiDiamond. Will the HD3 power cord from wall to Denali work well, I wonder.
I recently purchased the Shunyata Denali D2000T.
The HD3 power cord (I use to own a D3 and D4) will work on the Denali but you will need a 20 amp IEC feeding the Denali. If you don't own a 20 amp IEC power cord you could buy an adapter 15 to 20 amp IEC from VooDoo Cable for example: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-voodoo-cable-iec-adapters-15-amp-or-20-amp-cryo-treated-...
They do work very well and I have never experienced any loss of sound quality.
I found a gem in the rough that I'm currently using to power my Denali, it's the Silver Ghost power cord: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-6-silver-ghost-custom-made-silver-rhodium-woven-power-co...
I had a custom Silver Ghost made with 20 amp Wattgate IEC's. It's a very good power cord that is relatively inexpensive, but competes with power cords easily costing thousands of dollars in my opinion, and I have owned those power cords. BTW the Ghost power cords are built with impeccable craftsmanship, I'm very impressed and just ordered a second one last night. Being cryogenlitcy treated, they do take some break in hours.
I'm in no way connected to or benifit from any of the manufactures mentioned above, I'm just trying to pass on my thoughts to anyone that reads this.
Happy New Years to all!
"Based solely on ease of use and my beliefs on synergy my advice would be that if you already have a lot of SR kit then go with the 12UEF..."
I find this to be so true with the SR products. Perhaps this, aside from the obvious value offered, is why SR includes their power cord and receptacle with each Powercell 12.
If you are open to other considerations, the Audioquest Niagara 7000 and the Running Springs Audio Dmitri have been recommended by several credible audiophiles here and elsewhere.
Best to you both,
Dave, I think on the power conditioner and my Integrated amp I prefer the Silver Ghost over the Blue and/or Yellow CT power cords. I will say that I need more listening time to be more spacific. And of course I still believe the CT cords are very good and I still use my Blue and Yellow since I'm working with two systems.
" How does the Silver Ghost compare to the Cerious cords?"
The problem with power products in general, is that results are not consistent. Its hard to predict what a PC will sound like from system to system. If you can't use Cable Company and have no way to demo, you may want to consider JPS Labs Digital AC for entry to mid level digital components, and either ESP Essence or Richard Grey PC's. I've used both the ESP and RGPC with hundreds of components over the years, and never had a situation where they did damage. The JPS is designed to deal with some of the issues that arise low to mid cost digital components.
Thanks for letting me know about your positive experience of the HD3 on Denali, but you have moved on to the Silver Ghost. Since I already have the HD3 (sunk cost), I hope to make full use of it with whatever conditioner. Could you let me know how the HD3 differs from the Silver Ghost cables, sonic wise?
Thanks for your recommendation of Niagara 7000 and the Dimitri. I will check them out.
Enjoy your music!
I am a huge fan of the SR Powercell, so I notice when credible others say that they like another unit better after owning a Powercell 10UEF or 12UEF. The 7000 and the RSA are the only two I have seen this with when compared with the 10UEF. The 7000 is much more expensive and requires a separate cord, but RSA offers their top cord as an option with the Dimitri, making it comparable to the top-tier Powercell 12UEF in price/value.
Looking forward to reading what you do.
Best to you hb,
Regarding the Dmitri -- it’s a good conditioner, I used to own one, but not in the same league as current models such as the 12UEF and the Denali. Also in my experience the Dmitri will not sound good with power amps if that is where you want to use it. If on the other hand you primarily want it for sources and get it 2nd hand (they are widely available) then it could work well. By the same token you can also get very good deals on second hand older models from SR and Shunyata as well ...
The Niagara is worth checking but substantially more expensive then the other two options -- I suspect all of these things cost more in Singapore where I think you are
In the US at least with the dealers I deal with they should be prepared to let you borrow the demo model and trial it at home, Bear in mind that with power components such as these it may take many days for them to settle -- every time I unplug my SR kit it takes at least 24-48 hours for the cables to settle in again (likely a result of the active shielding to reestablish). And of course unplugging and replugging your components is likely very awkward.
Thanks but Gospel may be taking it a bit too far 😇
Seriously hamburger as it seems you are new to the power conditioning business I’d buy second hand to start with, learn what works for you and then trade up from there. There’s next to no risk of getting a lemon when it comes to buying a power conditioner -- I’ve bought and sold many over the years. Buying new, especially without being able to compare, will simply mean you lose a load in depreciation straight away. And any money you save you can use to upgrade power cords (again the key is to find a line you like and move in that, the SR atmosphere cords are actually a good price and easy to use but unfortunately still rare used). I also like AQ WEL cords and you should see loads of these appear in the second hand market soon when AQ bring out their new power cord line
Humility becomes you, folkfreak.
It is indeed rare IME to find someone as experienced and knowledgeable as you that is willing to pass along solid, balanced advice to those a step or two (or more) behind you merely at the asking.
Let me know if you decide to let those WEL speaker cables go.
Best to you folkfreak and Happy New Year,
Dlcockrun, thanks for your kind words...
Seems to me that jmcgrogan2 (another very credible source as there are many on Audiogon) has actually owned a couple of the power conditioners being discussed here and I’m sure he would have some good information to share.
Hamburger, you can’t go wrong with the HD P3. At this point in time I believe the Silver Ghost (high current) produces a wider, deeper sound stage and more micro detail presented in a very musical fasion.
It has been 14 months since the last post by lak. I have not gotten my shopping done yet. It's a draggy ongoing project... but I am working slowly on it.
1) AQ Niagara 7000 - I have heard it personally at Munich Show, being demo'd (plugging in and out) in a system by Garth. Yes, impressive, but not exactly what I want.
2) Shunyata Denali 6000s with Sigma NR powercord - Had a home trial plugged into my own system. Very impressive; very positive and strong "hifi technical attributes", but somehow I was not drawn into the music. I like equipment that makes me want to listen to music. Comparing it to an Isotek Evo3 Aquarius that I had used in my system, although not as "hifi technically competent" as the Denali, but it drew me into the music more. Wonder if the new Shunyata Triton V3 would be a better fit for me. Not that the Denali is bad, but from what I read comparing Denali and Triton V3, it seems Triton could be more my taste. I am splitting very fine hairs here to find something to match my taste. KIV the Denali and Triton.
3) Synergistic Research Powercell 12 UEF SE - No home trial being offered, but I am still "feeling hopeful" and trying to read up on this... However, there are not many forums that talk about this equipment. I wonder why... I heard comments that its products are quite a "hit-or-miss" and depends very much on your luck if it works in your system.
Just an update! ;-p
Appreciate your advice!
There is no Equi=Tech in my area, and also I am not interested in big transformers.
Just to add a comment on the Shunyata Products I tried. Although my focus is on a power conditioner, I noticed the Sigma NR powercord is very, very good. (Lak, The Hi Diamond HD3 powercord is nowhere near its performance level.) In the Shunyata system, I would say the Sigma NR contributed about 38% of the performance, and the Denali itself the other 62%. Hmm... that's also about the price ratio of Sigma NR to the Denali. ;-)
When you see Synergistic Research in any reviewer or audiophile's system, it's a huge red flag of either the person being tone deaf, on the take from SR, or just gullible beyond belief.
The guy is a total joke and has zero qualifications for anything related to audio. His background is 100% marketing/corp sales. Instead of providing any evidence or details of his engineering qualifications, he hides behind a "30 day money back guarantee" worse than a late night infomercial.
if you fell victim to the placebo effect or his clever staged demos at shows, just look under the hood or crack open any of his phony products. If you have any qualifications to know what you are looking at, it will be clear that his stuff are both ripoffs and hugely overpriced.
Notice also that he visits lots of reviewers so that he can work his staged demo in real-time. Nobody credible in the industry has the free time he has to go to reviewers homes or spend all day in a custom created Facebook group where he continues to fool sycophants.
I don't care how you waste your money, so I'm not interested in arguing what should be obvious to you. You don't even have to take my word for it. Go around the shows and ask other respected mfgs with actual credentials...or find SR products in ANY room other than theirs. In the countless years I've gone to shows, the ONLY room where I've seen SR stuff was Sonore (they used his phony black box) and that company is hardly anything to care about. Otherwise, it's strictly SR owned rooms or his dealers where you will see anyone use his stuff.
If you think his room sounds good, buy a Berkeley Dac, Soulution/McIntosh amps and Magico speakers because that's the only thing making it sound good.