@yyzsantabarbara Thanks again for all this info. I would love to audition the Vivid line but alas again I have to travel from Atlanta to another major city to find those. I heard the A3 a few days ago but it was in a tiny room, poorly setup. They're moving those speakers into a large room. They do have good electronics on everything they sell, primarily VAC tube gear. After listening this morning I've played with placement a little bit but I'm finding the Persona's produce a more diffuse sound field, less localization and large images of individual instruments than the Thiels. Part of that may be my room...I'm convinced that a very large rectangular room, placement of large floor standers on the long side, well well away from side walls and 3-4 feet from the back wall is the ideal positioning for imaging/soundstaging. The most incredible depth and image localization I've heard anywhere -- don't laugh -- is on a system using JBL M2 monitors powered by huge Crown industrial digital amps which are kept in another room. I rolled my eyes when I first saw this system but the imaging and depth of individual instruments in the soundfield and the localization of properly sized (small) images of individual instruments just blows everything else out of the water that I've heard. Not sure how much of this friend's success is due to his large rectangular room with high ceilings but its really astonishing. I don't have the desire to go that route, but it is what it is. It was amazing. And over the 30 some odd years I've been in this hobby I've had my own assortment of high end electronics and speakers (Sound Labs(!), Martin Logans, Thiels, Magnepans, Audio Research power, preamps, dacs, etc. Of course we're talking about several decades there. It may sound like I change speakers every minute but I don't really. Just looking for that last "best" speaker I can find.