Next best exponential DAC quality level?


I recently did a shoot out of three DACs using my Hint6 + routing each of the other DACs to analog input on the Hint6:

(1) Hint6: ESS Sabre32 -- Integrated 

(2) SMSL M500: ES9038PRO D/A   ~$400 

(3) Khadas ToneBoard(v1): ESS ES9038Q2M - ~$99

I played the same song passages on Amazon Music and was able to cycle through each Hint6 input corresponding to each DAC.

The result?  Very small difference in terms of rendering.  Maybe a more open sound stage with better overall balance using the Hint6 DAC.  The Khadas was more bass / midrange pronounced w/ a more narrow soundstage.  However, I wouldn't suggest that any were head-and-shoulders "better" over the others.  In fact, they were all pretty decent with only small nuances (certainly not worth the price differences.   

I decided to keep the Khadas for my small headphone listening area. 

But it got me thinking - how much would one have to spend to realize an exponential difference in quality?  Is the Khadas that good, or is DAC technology differences more nuanced than I originally thought (meaning, we're paying 10x for only 5% better).  

 

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Showing 6 responses by soix

First, you should upgrade to Qobuz for a better quality source that will help you better sort out the difference between DACs.  That’s probably part of the reason you had a hard time discerning differences.  But yes, differences between DACs are more nuanced than, say, speakers, but they are still important and can dramatically affect the overall sound quality you ultimately achieve.  I’d say once you hit the $700 level you start getting into units with more accomplished designs and better parts quality, but that’s a very general guideline. 

Steve Stone did a comparison of the various HD music services and Amazon HD did not fare well.  They’re just not there yet.  Do a free trial of Qobuz and see for yourself. 

Anyway, my assumption going into this test was that a 24/192 source is good enough - no matter if it's AmazonHD or Qobuz... amirite?

Well, if memory serves that’s not what Steve found.  I kinda doubt Amazon is delivering 100% HD, but it’s free to try Qobuz so why not just see for yourself?

I didn’t say there’s no difference in sound quality. I said once a DAC has reached a certain point they will basically sound the same.

No. Just...no. That’s like saying once amps reach a certain point there’s no difference. That’s just stupid. There are many different architectures in DACs just as with amps, and they all have their own sound characteristics. This is just an ignorant statement.

DAC chips are so good today, that you can make a DAC for a few hundred dollars that is better than human hearing will ever be. 

Rrrrriiiiiiight.  Maybe better than your hearing, but not most humans.  Plus, for a few hundred dollars you’re gonna get a crap power supply and output stage, but I guess those little details don’t concern you at all.  Go figure.  Please go back to ASR where you clearly belong. 

 That’s like saying once amps reach a certain point there’s no difference.

Once they do, there isn't. 

@djones51 — you’re absolutely delusional.  ASR is calling.