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newbie 1st post 2 channel reccomendations.

hey guys:
putting together a 2 channel system for the bedroom, wife and kids took over MY downstairs theater and banished me to the bedroom. at first distraught, i was relegated to ht forum surfing and arrived here. since i had been mainly using the theater for listening to music anyway, i eagerly surfed the auidiogon waves all hours of the evening. a few days ago,the warden (my wife) gave me permission ( am i p-whipped or what) to put together a stereo system in the bedroom. i have home theater experience but have never put together 2 channel system and know nothing about tubes but will soon be enlightened
a little info:
room size: 18'x14'3" with 8' ceiling (flat)would prefer speakers on long side of room cannot be more than 2.5' from front wall lot's of room from side walls, bed in middle of room but can be rearranged.
musical preferences: classical all types, jazz, pink floyd, eagles, elton john
budget: 4k not including accessories
system: intergrated amp or seperates, cd or sacd or universal player, monitor speakers with possible later addition of sub.
mostly moderate occasionally loud listening levels

i have access to almost anything since i live relatively close to la and san diego but everything is also 1-2 hours away. therefore, all help in narrowing down options is appreciated. i have set up an audition of proac studio 100 with jolida jd502b integrated amp and jd 100 cd player next week. will possibly audition thiels on monday. also looking at taylo ref monitors and classe', plinius and possibly bryston. may later use this in new theater so may chuck budget and purchase good multi channel amp eg. BAT vk6200 or bryston or something similiar.
all input will be greatly appreciated including equipment and room setup/speaker placement suggestions. basically, tell me anything you want because the kids just got a bunch of dvd's and i'll be here all night.
i know this encompasses alot so just do your best.

aloha keith
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natnic
33 posts
 
RNM, has giving you the best advice there is.

Front end front end.

Its all about source.

Do yout 2 Channel without thinking of using pieces in HT.

Take a Close look at a Naim Set up.

Had the pleasure of listing to 3 Naim Players Last Sunday.

on Rega 850.00 Speakers

Wow 3 distinct sounds and the better the source the better those speakers sounded.

Then we put a 3k speaker in and the same thing happened, better source better sound.

best CDP with 850.00 sounded better than 3K speaker with cheapest source.

combined cost was same.
natnic
33 posts
 
Cloudgif.

If you where any more off base I could not imagine.

Why is it that a 850.00 Rega Speaker kept sounding better and better as the front end got better and better.

I had the pleasure of bring a music lover who has never been exposed to high end.

Over and over again the sales guy was able to demonstrate.

That no matter what speaker he chose for us the better the source the better the sound. Over and over again.

Others walked into demo room and same deal consistently when the better sources where added the better the sound.

In the end we detirmend that and 850.00 Speaker with a 3200.00 front end sounded much better than a 3000 speaker with a 1000.00.

So to make sure this was not Illusion we tried the same thing on Audio Row in Seattle and every where we went the same speaker allways sounded better with a better source.

GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT.

Please inform us as to what a proper Double blind test involves.

Here is wow it was done.

Speakers set up same amp pre amp same cables same everthing.

3 Cd players in rack along side gear.

sales guy just switched RCA from one to another back and forth.

Then we trie it with different speakers.

Same way. Same result.

Would be willin to take any speaker you choose and play it with a a CDP's from the same MFG. low mid and high level units from same mfg.

If there is no difference then I will tell you one thing.

The speakers are not worth buying.

The Biggest profit and markups are in Speakers.(cables Another story in itself)
natnic
33 posts
 
Sorry buddy ,thats just a bunch of Audio Speak that makes as much sense as George Bush.

Reality is
when presented with all constant, a Digital volume control that brought the sound to same level for each test. Consisistently the bettr source made the same 850.00 Sound better.

The sources where alternated in no particular order.

Everything was constant.

all he did was swich back and forth and even left same source attached to see if he could catch us. Never did.

SOURCE SOURCE. READ WWW.UHFMAG.COM

There are some awesome articles on that issue.

Reminds me when I replaced a 179.00 Costco Nikko Player 5 years ago with a Mcintosh 7008, Everyone who came over asked if I had new speakers.

They where 20 year old speakers that had been heard by same folks for years.
Point made.


Music is like Process control. total system error is key, the less error you start with the better the system accuracy will be.
natnic
33 posts
 
Get over yourself My Friend.

All one needs is a sound meter to insure the Levels are same.

And as I said the test was done with same MFG CDP all having the identical output levels.

We live in a real world.

Double blind testing is for Engineering geeks with no personalities and no real Lives.
natnic
33 posts
 
I dont know If Upscale Audio is close to you Atagi. If it is give them a call . he has many great lines..

Yes I do agree if your listening to gear in a Store , then you should support him or offer to pay for his time, Hey if you can save thousands giving the dealer who allowed you to audition it some of your savings is fair.

If you are up front and tell him you may buy online then its his choice to invest time with you.

Be honest and up front.

Happy Hunting.

Your on the right track, listen listen and dont let all the online guru's sway you. Your ears will not lead you astray.

Cloudgif made a good point, bring system breaker music.

If it gets the hard stuff right the rest is cake.
natnic
33 posts
 
Atagi I would suggest Listening to one of my personal favorite combo's. Coincident Sprakers Eclispe series with Atma Sphere's M-60-II.

Coincident and Atma Sphere have synergy like no other.

Pre amps Kevin should be able to suggest the right match for the combo. Start with the Super Eclipse's.

Then have him play the Oh Tjobe and The BAT VK-5 CD Player

and anything Kevin might suggest for a Player.

Happy hunting.
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