New to digital high-end, need help


I'm a long-time audiophile that ripped all my CDs to flac over the past year. I've been listening through Duets/Touch for office and casual use. I have not really had a high-end home system in 6 years. Now I'm building a high-end system that will use a digital/flac source.

I have Aerial 10t speakers and currently looking for a pre/amps (possibly Audio Research or Classe). I'm familiar with the arguments for SS or tubes, etc. I need help with the source/dac/volume control because, after all my research and reading, it feels like I still don't have a clue . . .

1.) I'm using a Squeezebox Touch connected with wifi. At what price point can I expect a DAC to make a dramatic difference? $500? $1,000? $3,000?

2.) I would consider bypassing a preamp/linestage for now and using a DAC with volume control (or similar setup)I use an iPad mini for the Touch remote at this point, but the volume can be finicky and I would like to use the volume control on DAC/preamp to limit the max while using the ipad.

3.) I have read the digital volume controls (such as Touch/iPad??) actually decrease resolution as the volume is decreased. Is this true? Does that mean the Touch volume should always be at 100%?? 75%?

4.) I've heard $60k systems and owned $20k systems (just to provide a reference point). Are digital files successfully used in that level of system? Can they sound as good as a quality CD source? If so, what caliber of equipment is necessary/desirable?

Thanks to anyone that can help me muddle through this process.
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Showing 1 response by lewinskih01

Hello Amansker.

I used to have a SB Touch as my digital front end. It's a great piece, and I still have it, but in a secondary system. At one point I took the digital out and fed a Metrum Octave ($1k) about 2.5 years ago, and it was a significant sound improvement - as it should, as I added $1k to a $250 unit!

Later I replaced the SBT with an ancient Win XP laptop playing JRiver and an Audiophilleo with PurePower (another $1k), and the sound again was very noticeably better. This was 1.5 to 2 years ago.

Early this year I built my custom server, similar to the most powerful CAPS v3, but with a server board, etc, using Windows Server 2012 and AudioPhil's Optimizer and the sound improvement was super noticeable.

Over the past two years digital has evolved a lot and we now see DACs under $1k that have features we couldn't hope for only 2 years ago.

I'm in the process of getting two new DACs: I already received an exaSound e22 ($3.5k) and I'm getting an iFi Micro iDSD ($500). I wish I had the Micro iDSD with me so I could answer if it beats the SBT and by how much. It has gotten a lot of praise, though. And has volume control.

DSD is something to consider even if you don't plan to buy your albums again yet in a different digital format - I know I am not. But there seems to be something about upconverting regular 16/44 files to DSD at the server and feeding that to DSD capable DACs.

When playing 16/44 and even 24/192 files natively and feeding the DACs, the Audiophilleo+Metrum sound a little better than the exaSound (so far, after 2 weeks, in my system, etc). But when upconverting to 2xDSD on JRiver and feeding that to the e22 it does sound A LITTLE better than the AP+Metrum. A little means it's not worth the price difference in my book, but then JRiver is not best regarded for its upconversion ability, so I'm still exploring. Many claim converting to DSD makes a very significant difference.

Sorry for the long post. Bottom end: at $3.5k you definitely surpass the SBT by a very wide margin. The exaSounds are designed so the hardware upstream doesn't affect them and they have a good hardware volume control. But there are many more DACs you should look at too in that price range: Auralic Vega, Chord's Qute and Hugo, etc.
from my readings, my guess is for $500 the iFi is likely to surpass the SBT. But it is a guess so far.
Playback software: within Windows, JRiver has the best interface and sounds good. If doing DSD, look into HQPlayer (I'll be doing that today!).
Consider your server as part of your digital playback chain budget, and also the USB cable. And also linear power supplies for the DAC and server. Some DACs are designed to isolate themselves from hardware-induced jitter so it doesn't matter much. As an example, the e22 is expensive but you wouldn't need to spend much in a server or its linear power supply, or the USB cable. And that would be more expensive than a $500 DAC.

Yet another route is to get a VERY good used DAC. One option could be the PS Audio PWD, which has seen its used-price significantly drop as PS has introduced the new DSD-capable unit.

I hope it helps.