Moving cables around killed dynamics for days anyone else experience this?


I've been experimenting with different cables between components. Nothing sounds right since trying to improve sound with new mix of cables. There is no bass and boring, highs are okay but life is gone from system. So I flipped everything back the way it was still sound horrible. Ran everything 24/7 for a couple days still no go. Let it run a couple more days dynamics are back and bass is full big and has tone again and enjoyable to listen to. Can someone tell me why this happens. I've also moved just speaker cables around without unhooking them and seen this happen, I don't get it.
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Markets were 3 times more unstable when we were on the gold standard with more recurring recessions. Having finite monetary resources is just another way of saying there's nothing we can do to help you: you're on your own unless you can buy your local politician. 

Insane it is.

All the best,
Nonoise
Sure: Among audiophiles, who have also discussed "for decades" the "sonic effects" of a vast amount of pseudo-scientific "effects" (often barely that). There is literally no pseudo-scientific idea that an audiophile hasn’t come up with, that didn’t have some portion of audiophiles saying "He’s right! I can hear the difference!" That’s because audiophiles generally don’t employ methods that control for their imagination. 
That’s understandable to some degree due to practicalities involved, but many audiophiles go further to even deny the problem even exists.
So it's all conveniently down to a nicely worded, broad generalization.
Back to moving cables changing the sound: In the pro sound world, who use vastly more cables than audiophiles, no this does not come up. That is beyond using cables along well known parameters. I’ve recorded in, visited, and worked in many pro studios and not ONCE has this worry of "moving cables will change the sound" been either a problem or even raised as a problem. Because generally, there doesn’t seem to be good reason (beyond subjective audiophile hand-wringing and an appeal to golden ear hearing) to think it’s a problem.
In the workplace you describe, you're just duplicating a product, not listening like you would at home. As long as it sounds OK and meets the standards, you can then can it and sell it.
If significant sonic changes occurred to cables simply because they were moving, guitarists would have had to stand statue still while performing on stage lest their sound keep altering. But they don’t do that, because they don’t have to. Guitarists (and other musicians) have used cables that writhe around on the stage or recording floor as they move and no engineers stress about "sound obviously changing" (even with unbalanced cables) due to "cables moving" (so long as the cables can stand the stress of movement, aren’t landing on power cables or whatever). Look at photos of Led Zeppelin or any other band performing. Look at the cables snaking all over the floor. The horror! 
In a live performance, I can't imagine how one would know, let alone ascertain, how a performance would sound before, after, or while moving. Talk about a red herring. Why didn't you include a revolving stage while you were at it? 
And when recording, engineers/musicians move cables around all the time and NO ONE says "We’d better wait a few hours - or days - for the cables to "settle" again or we can’t get the sound right. That nonsense doesn’t fly in virtually any pro setting. It’s the provenance generally of hand-wringing subjectivist audiophiles, for good reason.
Has it ever occurred to you that the signal is getting through during the recording but it's with the playback at home in a settled environment that one can hear it? Two completely different settings.

All the best,
Nonoise


Moving cables and the affect it can have on your sound has been discussed for decades. This is not something new or earth shattering.
However, when it comes up now and again for discussion, oh how the knives come out.
Nelson Pass makes amps that purposely distort the signal to make them work with certain speakers. I know a recording engineer who bought one of his designs and said it was one of the worse sounding amps he's ever heard. He even called Nelson and told him so and they discussed it.

The recording engineer thinks it's that he makes his amps to get the best out of whatever speaker that's taken his fancy at the time. He noticed that if there's ever a picture of Nelson with a speaker in the background, the amp he's working on is probably meant to match that speaker, and most of them are widebanders. 

This is not to say that Nelson can't make a great all around amp: it's that he sometimes chooses not to. Even Sarjan at 6moons (who's on great terms with Nelson) describes in detail how his amps are skewed in certain ways to accommodate certain speakers. 

All the best,
Nonoise


Because every second person on any audio forum likes to talk about science and measurements.
It's been my experience that those who hear a difference don't usually cite scientific findings to explain what they hear as they trust their ears.
Once the topic of "science' is breached, then, of course, it will be discussed.
But how many people here have any education in electronics, physics and psychoanalytic?
Lots. Some here are highly steeped in the sciences you mention and some haven't bothered participating in a long time due to the acrimony imparted by those who refuse to accept that one needn't need a degree in order to sense something accurately.
Most of they didn’t study out of these disciplines.
Unlike most of people here, I have BSc in electronics. But I don’t have enough knowledge to enplane most process in audio scientifically
That could be true re: most. Having that degree and admitting that you can't explain some of it scientifically is a step in the right direction, though. It's what we who don't have degrees do.

All the best,
Nonoise






All of this reminds me of a cartoon that The Audio Critic had where the audiophile was behind his stereo, holding some cables, and yelling at his family, "Who the hell cleaned back here?", or something like that.

It was meant to ridicule folk like us but it turns out that it was quite prescient, but not in the way it was intended.

All the best,
Nonoise