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@soix - they have a few hours on them but Legacy themselves say they don't need break-in (I have the email).

@audiom3 I agree with your statement about the equipment, I really have my homework cut out for me with this room, just not sure what I can do about it.

@daledeee1 Walk around the room.  Does bass get better, worse or doesn't matter.  A continuous tone is helpful.  I  have 20 and 30 hz only.  Also, it will take a few days, many people play new speakers continuously for a few days.

stays the same 

@jr19 - thanks

@lanx0003 - I was trying to be funny, chill out bro

@ddd1 - my apologies, yes two 10" woofer (not 7")

@soix - yes, sealed box design, other speakers I have had have been rear ported, so adjusting to them makes sense. Last speakers were Kef R 11s.

@russ69 - amplification is a Coda #8 for power and a Coda CB pre-amp

Yes, the room is not great and I’m working on it. I will continue to break them in.

@jeffreyw  - very interesting. Coda is configured as a V1 as I was looking for as much class A as possible

@jeffseight - Gee, I wasn't looking for any subs really, the Swarm is four!

I will give it more time and try to figure out the room some how!

@jeffseight - still have time on the trail period, but I’d just like to try and make these work, so more burn-in and I have to figure out some kind of inexpensive room treatments. I blew the motherload on a major remodel and this stereo. I’m suppose to retire in May, sure hope they can keep me on for a few more...

@tuberist - will do

@wturkey - switches sound better up, bi-amped sounds expensive! Do you toe your Sigs in at all?

@jc4659 - phase OK, thanks

@jeffreyw - that's great advice thank you I will do that tomorrow!

@soix thanks I will contact both Legacy & Coda tomorrow.

@daledeee1 - same

@nevada_matt - interesting, thanks 

@mrskeptic - lol

@steakster @daledeee1 - thanks, I will put on my walking shoes when I get home tonight!

@erik_squires - not sure why the link doesn’t work, but I did find the article by search. This is for the Legacy Focus SE which is the model above mine. 

@highend64 - it would be awesome to do what you suggest, but we bought this house because it has a view, putting the speaker in the window, might just not go over to well. I'm just going to have to figure this out. Thanks

@blisshifi - OK, I will start a new thread with some sub-woofer questions! Thx

@80s_forever - now that is interesting. I think you are the second person in this thread to mention something like this. I possibly have a chance to change the speakers, changing out the amp might be a little more difficult at this point. Thanks

I didn't except so many great responses, very informative and lots of good ideas, thank you!

I have reached out to the manufacturers and am awaiting their response.

@blisshifi - the room is 24' x 15' with a 12' vaulted ceiling (the long ways). Then there is a kitchen to the left of the speaker, so the room is L-shaped. Drapes cover the window to the left which run pretty well the whole length of the wall. The manual says 1 - 3 feet off the back wall, so being a multi-function room, it's pretty hard to get the speakers more than 1 foot out. They are 6 1/2' apart, slightly toed in and I sit about 9 feet away. So, there is 8' feet of space behind me.

The room does suck, but acoustic treatment are expensive and lack WAF. I'd hate to spend a bunch of money on them and still have a base problem, so I like the idea of a couple of small subs, or better yet the room correction suggestion.

@erik_squires - thanks Eric, for some reason when I click on the link you provide (as with some other links here) I don't get redirected. Any tips?

From Coda:

"There should be no brake in for the amp or the speakers.  With the efficiency and impedance of the speakers there should be enough power with the V1.  We have had Whisper, Focus, and Signature on site. I found that the Sigs were more balanced.  They had good bass but not overpowering.  Whispers were also balanced.  The Focus on the other hand had a more enhanced bass.  I think it is expectation and the speaker.  Perhaps the Focus?"

I really don't want the hassle, expense and the size by moving up to the Focus... UGH!

@erik_squires - "If it follows the same pattern however the issue will be straightforward" and that problem being?

@blisshifi - Thanks, I like your train of thought! I understand though that it's a crazy, pain in the butt deal to setting subwoofers up. Any tips or tricks? Also, in a subwoofer thread I recently started, @mike_in_nc states this:

" Not to be pedantic, but you do know? Subs often are used to help fill bass nulls, and the absolute worst placement for that is adjacent to the main speakers"

But, this is the only location I have to put the subs. Any thoughts?

@erik_squires - Hi Erik, so I asked this directly of Legacy:

What is the minimum impedance of the Signature speaker, is it 2 ohms below 100 Hz?

Their response:  "The signature line can go as low as 3.5 ohms"

So, pardon my ignorance, but what does all this mean? Thanks!

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@wturkey - "rear firing tweeters" huh?

@steakster - @mike_in_nc 

OK, how about 2 subs on the opposite wall 20' away facing the back of the listening position? 

OK, this is really starting to get depressing, beaten by a room.

Maybe @jeffseight has the best solution for me: "Is the trial period over?"

I'll still need some speakers though...

@mike_in_nc - so how do I go about doing this "Measuring" I once downloaded some room correction software and purchased a microphone off Amazon. I found the whole process beyond me and sent the microphone back. I would need help with this, for sure!

@audiorusty - my apologies, there are two 10" woofer, it's the mid-range that is 7"      There is bass and I'm not looking chest thumping stuff, it just doesn't hit as hard as I would expect. Maybe it's the sealed box that I'm not use to? I will heed some of your other advice and get back to you. Thank you. 

@arcticdeth +1

@audphile1 - yes, working on that. I'm just trying to finish up a major remodel which has led me to tear my rotator cuff, so it hurts to blink at the moment. Going to take a bunch of pain pills and maybe over the weekend, I will try to get that done. 

@mike_in_nc OK, thanks, I'll try and figure it out.

@audiom3 ya, @lanx0003  comments seem a little skewed

@audphile1 - is there any way you can stop the notification of this message to my email? I have received it 10 times! I'm working on pictures!!

@navyachts picture speaks a thousand words. is there a way you can add a virtual system with pictures of room and current set up?

That will help with proper recommendations with your current and future setup. 

@lanx0003 - I think open baffle speaker need to be way out from the back wall.      I had to laugh; my room looks 10 times better acoustically than the one in the video

@jr19 - cool, could you share a little bit about your speaker placement?

@daledeee1 Walk around the room.  Does bass get better, worse or doesn't matter.  A continuous tone is helpful.

Continuous the way I hear it.

@audphile1 OK, I have some picture, how the heck do I post them here? It's asking for a URL

@soix - The fireplace is 12" off the floor so I don’t want to cover it if the subs are on the inside of the mains. There is room to the to the right of the right speaker for a bigger sub but on the left side it’s going to get all muddled up in the drapes. Some say the subs shouldn’t be on the same wall as the mains, so I’m confused.

Even more confusing is trying to get some pictures loaded here!

@wturkey ya, my speakers don't lool anything like that. 

https://legacyaudio.com/products/view/signature-se

And, how the heck did you post that picture? I wanted to post a couple of shots of my "Busy" room!

@soix - sounds good, I just need to figure out where to put 'em. Everybody says I have a big room, but it's feeling pretty cramped to me.

Working on posting pics...

@audphile1 - OK, I finally got some crummy pics up on my system page!

@soix - ok, before I make that leap I'm gonna get some more hours on the Sigs first. Thanks!

@steve59 - This is probably one of the best suggestions. I was thinking active before buying all the separates (Dutch & Dutch 8c in particular), but my wife was actually the proponent of separates, but wasn't thinking ahead enough regarding room problems. Plus the 8c’s on stands aren’t all that attractive.

Trading up to the active Signatures is definitely an option (I think, I'd have to talk to the dealer first) and the upcharge to actives isn’t much more than adding a couple of subs.

My only concern would be will the actives produce as good a sound as the pricey pre/power amp that I have right now (taking the room out of the equation)? As I might not live here forever and have a better situation in the future.

@raysmtb1 - Awesome, thanks, I will read up on this. It's my day off today, so I have to cook, clean, shop, take out the garbage, then help my wife sort out her studio. I will check this out to tomorrow when I go back to work for a rest.

@raysmtb1 - Thanks, There seem to be many of these apps, can you suggest which one might be best or is there a "Spectrum Analyzer for Dummies" I can find these kinda things challenging! 

@vladtheimpala  great idea, but those subs are kinda pricey!

I’m going to start investigating active speakers.

Just chatted with a Coda/Legacy dealer (third party). Please see the posted chat below. They have no problem with the speakers being up against the back wall.

I also moved the speakers out 2 feet and they really didn’t sound much different that 8" off the wall, go figure.

Hello, with regards to a Coda pre & power amp driving Legacy Signature SE, many who have seen my room say I am going to have nothing but trouble acoustically due to numerous factors. Some suggested going active as with the Signature XD. Taking the room out of the equation would the XDs sound as good on SEs with $8K worth of Coda gear?

* Hi, happy to help!

Thanks, I’m sure you’ve heard both

* Yes, we have both all of the Legacy and Coda here. What kind of a room are we looking at? And I assume we’re talking about the 8?

Multifunction room with lots of hard surfaces, lot’s of furniture and no room to pull the speakers out from the wall. 16’ wide 22 feet long slight vaulted ceiling (lengthwise) and yes, I have the 8.
Some say the actives can go right up tight to the back wall, what do you think?
Speakers would be about 6 1/2’ apart. Listening position about 8’ back.
I’ve always preferred separates just not sure if this is the right place to do it

* Both the XD and SE can be placed the same distance from the wall. The internal amp is the difference, and the construction/polar pattern are the same.
A sealed cabinet is always able to go close to the wall, and both the XD and SE are the same sealed cabinet.
An 8 is enough power for a Sig SE. Your room accommodates Focus SE, so if you’re seeking more bass output, you’d want the Focus SE.

OK, thanks for your help.

The dealer recommended the Legacy Fountain sub (at $4235 each, ouch!) or move up to the Focus, which is HUGE, I can barely move the Sigs around now.

@dave_b - Appreciate it Dave, the Sigs are heading back so I’m on the hunt...again

@jeffseight - "Is the trial period over?" Turned out to be the best advice of the thread, thank you!

@dave_b -- OK, thanks for the tips.