Tom, I’m kindof laughing right now and even though we don’t know one another, I can imagine you are too. This guy Chris is something else. He must have received an order and, looking at the other 1,999 bottles on the shelf, why not.
Mitigating the Bubble
Today after many years of trials and tribulations I have mitigated a sonic aberration a horizontal phase anomaly in my center stage. While the center image was always stable and outlined it seemed narrow and bubble like and I would need to shift my body angle to really lock in the image. This was obvious on many CDs and LPs .
I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations. I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep's wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses. I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage. I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference. I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover. This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.
So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end. The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet. What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.
I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.
Tom
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You have tried very hard throughout the thread to be civil. Much respect. I have admittedly not. I have believed since the start that you were a user of the product and happy with the results. I have on accasion believed you were closer to the center of this cluster and in the event I crossed a line regarding you, I apologze.
Your explanation of a potential theory regarding the power cord is appreciated. Someone would have to explain the permeability of the stock Home Depot cord but it really wouldn’t matter without an explanation of what was attempted and to what intended effect. When you say he is pulling “it” from the market, are you referring to the gel, the cord or everything? I’m guessing its not a hard decision for him? It seems the money back guarantee duration exceeded the duration of the product’s offering. |
@tweak1 you have a different product than Nano-Flo but based on your feedback, these contact enhancers seem to achieve similar results from other posters. |
Chris, here lies the problem: You clearly stated earlier in this thread that your product “improves electrical conductivity”. You stated it! It seems pretty clear at this juncture that you have no data that it does. Conductivity is easy to test and you haven’t actually done it. Either you had conclusive data in advance of making the conductivity claim or you didn’t, which is it?
Subjective claims made by third parties are just that and I have no problem with sincere people relaying what they think they hear. If their soundstage blew over their framed internet diploma certifying their proficiency at spotting aliens…cool! You on the other hand have attempted to occupy the high ground and yet, I consider your claims as guesswork mixed with wishful thinking if I’m being generous. Your power cable offering is absolutely an insult to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the hobby. That’s a swing bridge too far!
You are riding through town, wearing a white hat that doesn’t fit. Your claims to what your product may or may not do is very much akin to the historical snake oil salesmen of the old west. Cures gout, the common cold and those achy joints, regrows hair and doubles the mpg of your ‘88 Civic. Since this is an audio site, the least you could do would be to specify whether your Lexus test system is equipped with the base audio system or the Mark Levinson system. Is cassette tape the preferred media or FM or CD or satellite radio? I believe you should stick to Amazon…if you are wise and reasonably honest, you won’t spend any of the money the gullable send your way…I predict high levels of people taking you up on the money back guarantee, especially on your miraculous power cable.
So, back to your generous offer. Did you test conductivity in advance of making the claim or were you being dishonest when you stated that it increased conductivity? Its a simple question. Yes or no. If you did not then you were being dishonest when you made the claim. I don’t knowingly do business with people who would do that and since you apparently don’t really know what your product does, why would I smear it on anything? Free or otherwise.
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No hostility meant to any party unaffiliated with Nano-Flo. No hostility intended toward unaffiliated users of Nano-Flo products, Tom included.
Nano-Flo joined Audiogon and within seconds, hopped on to the forum and began marketing his new products by spewing snark and unsubstantiated claims about a power cord. He additionally denigrated the late husband of another and made untrue, crass and insensitive comment about thie person to whom I refer. I know none of these people and have never done business with any of them nor do I care what anyone does, tweaks or applies to their system.
Are we as a community to stand by and have these types of people just spew unchecked or unchallenged. Yes, I have made fun of the absurdity of Chris’ inital claims about increasing electrical conductance because he probably would love that the potential buyers out there had never seen him make his absurd claims. And about his power cord…LOL |
No, no…thank you for starting the thread. Please don’t get offended. I really am interested in how this work and for what purpose. It seems though that no one knows what it does or whether it accomplishes the claim.
I can see how the casual observer might think that there is something amiss.
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@thecarpathian indeed…the old adage applies, the silence is deafening. |
The product(s) may or may not work for their stated purpose (Nano-flo doesn’t know) and they are offered for sale by a guy I wouldn’t let cut your lawn. Its your money though…the test results illustrating efficacy (or not) for improving electrical conductance doesn’t exist or Chris would have posted it by now. Tom, you “perceive” that you can listen at a lower volume. I would rather listen at one click louder to NOT have this arrogant person in my life. Chris, if you are reading this, you can give that free sample you keep trying to give to me to @theaudiotweak |
A few facts, if you don’t mind letting facts get in the way. 1) You posted an ad on Ebay for a power cable with your Nanoflo treatment applied 2) You did so initially with an unconditional money-back guarantee 3) @glory and you agreed to a severe discounted price at less than half of your ask 4) @glory decided for whatever reason to return the cables for a refund 5) Between you and @glory there were some zigs and zags about possible other sub-deals and modifications but based on the commentary, it doesn’t appear any of those other variations were agreed to by either party 6) You flatly refuse to refund in spite of you initally having no terms or conditions 7) You subsequently have changed your terms and conditions to make it more difficult so maybe @glory isn’t the only requested refund in process 8) You have visions of grandeur about the value of a mild abrasive suspended in Vaseline as an effective “contact enhancer” 9) You may or may not sell alot of these to unsuspecting and perhaps foolish buyers who purchase in spite of your willingness to abide by your own terms so buyer beware 10) You are indeed displaying the classic behavior of the stubborn child unable to see the forest for the trees but that’s ok, no sweat off most of us because there is no desire to provide capital to a charade 11) Your best strategy is to refund @glory and hope that none of the others who will want a refund do their due diligence but I actually am holding out hope that you don’t…not because I want @glory to be harmed but rather I want there to be a clear cut pattern of behavior established by you so that decent hifi folks will avoid you and your products 12) What’s hilarious is you actually believe you have some superior intellect when, to those who take a milisecond to review your communications and your track record, we are left shaking our heads in laughter 13) You have no special product unless you were to market it as some sort of surface polish and lubricant which enhances the connection by effectively sanding microscopic surface anomolies but of course, you wouldn’t know because you have no credible scientific background nor expertise in any applicable field 14) I hope you keep posting your jr high replies and retorts so people get an absoltuely clear picture of who you are. In the unlikely event I encounter an employee with the traits you frquently display, they are soon unemployed. It isn’t worth the effort to try and convince them they weren’t hired to retool the company, just to mop and empty the trash 15) I’m sure you’ll make a little money here and there and those who are secretly backing your endeavor (because you wouldn’t know the first thing about how to build a cable nor are you likely to have the working capital to launch a lawn service let alone a viable cable company) may be able to stick a sock in that pie-hole long enough to sell a few. I very much hope the audio community is able to identify who those people are who are behind you because they are equally as undesirable as you are.
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@nano-flo before you check out to prepare for Axpona, I would really appreciate the data on before v after electrical conductance improvements. Since that is measurable, I believe it could really help your momentum going in to Axpona! |
@nano-flo can you describe the non-trade secret construction of your power cable? Are you making it in house or contracting it? What is the country of origin of the cable? How would you describe the improvements over cables “costing thousands of dollars more” per your website?
I also await answers to my previously posed questions. |
@nano-flo so why is the beta test over and why is your website down. Joined audiogon today, you just materialized today because? |
Thanks for the reply Chris @nano-flo
Tell us about yourself, the product and the website. I have never used contact enhancing fluid. |
Hi again Chris, who are you and why the tone with people who are asking questions about someone who just appeared here on Audiogon? Cyberbullying? Really?
As an aside, I’ve never heard anyone with resources of $5 million (plus or minus) say “5 mil”. That’s kindof a goombah, movie way of discussing money that doesn’t happen in the wild. |
@dadork +1
Even though he single handedly lubed a swing bridge? That’s a pretty big deal isn’t it? |
@nano-flo a nice introduction of who you are would be appropriate. |
@nano-flo thanks for the reply. @theaudiotweak thanks for your reply as well. What is the electrical conductor that fills these microscopic “pits” by which contact area is increased? This is intriguing. I’m a sound first listener but since it is increasing conductance, in your testing how much is conductance increased? In another thread I seem to recall that the “gel” or “fluid” wears off in time. How often would one need to reapply? |
@theaudiotweak thanks for your reply.
“Heard” as in heard from others or “heard” as in an audio system heard through your ears?
Were these treated with Nano-Flo? Were they previously treated with something else? If so, what? How was the previous treatment removed and how would one be certain they removed it all?
I’m still curious by how much conductance was improved and how would someone know? Also curious about the two week break in improvement and are you experiencing this? |
@nano-flo since it improves over the following two weeks, what is happening? Is the gel evaporating or is it just the smashed nanomaterial breaking in? How much is conductance increased in mv or a percentage over baseline. Does it work equally as well with copper vs silver conductors? Does it close the conductance gap between copper and silver? |
@theaudiotweak I recognize that you are likely only trying to help @nano-flo launch his new enterprise. That's cool and very nice of you.
It would probably elevate his credibility (and yours too, the extent of which I wouldn't dare predict) considerably if you were to let everyone know if you have any financial interest, past-present-or future, in the success or failure of these products. You two can understand can't you? You can understand why a community of audio hobbyists might view the power cable with a great deal of skepticism right? It closely resembles cords that virtually everyone here has discarded. I've joked with friends that power cables similar to these is akin to a fruitcake. There is only one in existence in the world and it gets included in each box every time a piece of gear is sold. LOL.
A claim of "improves conductance" has been made. I'm just curious by how much and how do you know? Measured? Did you "hear" conductance improve? What does that sound like? Listen, I'm sure everyone here is sincere and honorable. But the handling of the rollout has been "clumsy"?
So, you will be at Axpona @nano-flo ? Working? Attending as a paid attendee? Demoing? In which room? I'll swing by and listen. If you aren't part of the show then...
And Tom, if you do happen to be "advising" Chris I'm not sure which of you is benefitting from comments like these. It's almost like watching a slow motion train wreck. If you put it on a public forum, people are free to comment.
I usually sit on the sidelines when the topic ventures into certain territory. People are free to believe and try whatever they want. With that said, the principals should back up claims that should be verifiable with the data they relied upon to make the claim. You say conductance is improved, please communicate how you know that. If Yo-Yo Ma coats his strings with it? Say so. But this stream of consciousness, make it up as you go along like method likely won't make Harvard Business Review. I will remain as open minded as I can but, absent any pre-launch conductance data, I believe the audiophile (note to self when starting an audio related business, its audioPHile, not audioFile) community may be merciless. |
May I please publicly acknowledge and commend the tone and content of your posts. In each post, you have been patient, kind and constructive. Kudos to you as you are a gentleman. While I have never used anything beyond deoxit years ago, you have been forthright in your stated goals as I see it. Now, to your paragraph about how Krissy was treated, incidentally whom I’ve never met, I appreciate you writing briefly about the apparent chronology as you see it based on the information you have at hand.
I am appalled but not surprised that people do this to another. Since I have never had business dealings with her, I can only speak to how this episode appears to have gone down. Its none of my (our) business what Chris @nano-flo chooses to do with their business but it IS our right to vote with our feet/checkbooks. I would not do business with someone who treated another in this manner. At a minimum, there should be compensation YESTERDAY to Krissy for her time and materials to date. Its cool to want to go in another direction, its not cool to ask someone who has worked hard to establish a niche to be used and discarded for personal gain. She appears to have been used to perform the proof of concept at her expense and then discarded. If someone does choose to purchase from Nano-flo, do so with the knowledge that money back guarantees are only as good as the word of the person making the promise. Additionally, the only presence Chris has on Audiogon has been established this month on this thread. If someone does do business with Nano-flo, I hope the Audiogon community remains very careful around any individual who joins the community for the sole and instantaneous marketing of a product for profit who treats others in this manner and has thus far been unwilling to back up promises with proof.
Krissy, we don’t know one another but I’m sorry when anyone is treated as you apparently have been. Best wishes to you. Tom, best wishes to you as well. Chris, you may have gotten out over your skis a bit too far. Its lonely at the top, its lonelier at the bottom and lubing a bridge doesn’t make you an audio manufacturer worthy of support. I, for one, pray for your continued silence in every way. |
A sincere message from a forthright person. Thank you Tom.
On another topic, unless someone has explicitly agreed to have their words used for marketing purposes, they may withdraw permission to do so. So, if you are uncomfortable having a testimonial quoted on someone's website where they are seeking material gain you may withdraw permission by doing so in writing. As I have stated, I have not tried any of the products in this thread. I would however, given the turn of events, be willing to donate to a gofundme or similar to assist Krissy in retaining appropriate counsel or at least replenishing her finances that came about as a result of this unfortunate episode. She performed work and dedicated resources with the implication of a business relationship being in place. Evidence of the implied structure is probably contained in emails and texts.
In the past, I have retained an attorney for the sole purpose of ensuring that if someone didnt live up their commitments and pay amounts that were due and payable that they would at least need to spend the money they "liberated" on their own lawyers. I am far from litigious, I'm just intolerant of bullies. |
This reminds me of when I was a kid, fighting with siblings in the back seat of the car. My father would pull over the car and everyone got a whipping. I asked why because (of course) I didn’t start it and he said " I’m not going to waste my time trying to figure out which one of you were in the right and which were in the wrong".
In this case, as in most cases, buy what you want from who you want but an extra measure of caution is in order. I’m out but I was likely never a candidate...but Chris can lube the drawbridge out front. |
Chris, its very kind of you to offer. I will accept your generous offer on the condition that you publicly post the data you relied upon earlier in this thread that this product increases electrical conductivity. Before and after data would be welcome. Also Chris, what kind of hifi system are you using to form your subjective opinions.
Otherwise, I will trust that the late Ken Shindo was comfortable knew what he was doing in his lifelong pursuit designing and building exceptional electronics and complimentary cables.
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Its a good thing you like the result. Earlier postings in this thread seem to indicate the treatment is irreversible.
What exactly motivated you to purchase this product? Was it the mountain of testimonials from “credible” sources or the amazing sets of data provided by Nano-Flo showing before and after results?
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You have little to no credibility. You have yet to answer the question. Claims of increased electrical conductivity and yet, you have no proof. You have been asked repeatedly “how do you know electrical conductivity is increased” and “please share the before and after data you relied upon to make the claim” and so far….crickets. Communicate the data or don’t, no big deal to me. The $1000 power cable you now offer for a $5 throw away home depot cable was “a bridge too far”. You should be ashamed that you even thought that was a good idea. |
@theaudiotweak so you are willing to do business with someone like Chris? So, I guess you grade character on a curve?
@holmz +1 |
@rixthetrick I know right? This guy Chris must not quite get what some of us have been saying. I don’t know whether the now green juice makes a positive difference in some systems or no difference but he is in credibility free fall on the power cord.
Chris, care to share the testing methodology for the blind tests? Can’t wait to see the fuses... |
Often times Chris, reputable organizations test for efficacy prior to making claims of efficacy. What tests are you referring to above? You haven't performed any tests!
Would you please set the stage for the test to come so that the public may evaluate the results?
Who is performing the tests?
Were they furnished with two cords? One $5 Home Depot power cable and one $5 Home Depot power cable treated with Nano-Flo? Did the two cables measure identically prior to the application of Nano-Flo to the one? Rudimentary knowledge of quality control methods for a Chinese made mass produced $1 at wholesale ($1 may be generous) might cast doubt on positive or negative findings since your initial approach might not capture an appropriate baseline measurement between the two cables.
I am interested in the baseline electrical conductivity versus the improved electrical conductivity change you initially claimed prior to having the data.
It would also be helpful for you to explain what was treated on the power cord. I assume it was the contacts since the photos of the cords seem to indicate they were molded at manufacture which would prohibit the treatment of anything internal to the cable.
Listen, to all the sincere believers for the now key-lime "contact enhancer", more power to you. Enjoy your systems in any way you like, you’ll get no flack from me. Awesome. Heck, it would even be great to learn that it cures the common cold although after several days of implying otherwise, its now not advised to drink it.
Once again, to be clear. I dont know Krissy, I don’t know Chris, its obvious their business relationship was never formalized appropriately or it wouldn’t have been so easy to separate. I have not used any "contact enhancers" in the past and I have no skin in the game either way. It should be painfully obvious by now that if I didn’t have any desire to take up Chris’s generous offer previously for a free sample it is unlikely that I would ever spend money to try it in the future.
The only thing that truly bugs me is the aggressive "here I am" entrance and the claims made in advance of any testing otherwise. Chris has clearly stated that his Lexus’ car stereo is his only system and asks you to take him at his word for something he has no knowledge of. Do so at your own risk because this has every marker of a carnival midway.
I have never met a world class chef who uses a Ginsu knife...and I’ve never met a wold class manufacturer of audio equipment who uses Ginsu contact enhancer. We have, however, seen countless instances where great audio companies include power cables with their gear FOR FREE similar to the one Nano is trying to sell for $1,000 and up. You pays your money, its your party.
@rixthetrick I find you to be a great guy and I also believe you (and to some extent Tom) to be sincere gentlemen. Unfortunately, I never stick around long enough when I see a "faith healer" in action...its probably my loss.
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@rixthetrick I'm sure Chris was already planning it, what with the methodical, careful and well thought out development approach he seemingly utilizes. |
It now appears that the amazing power cord now comes in a version 2.0. The photo of the Nano-Flo power cable from earlier last week now seems to have a cover heatshrinked onto the same cable. No one should be skeptical though...especially considering the below description of the cable taken directly from the Nano-Flo website. Please take note of the comment about cable coverings and the extra attention paid to the ad copy which seemingly missed the spelling of "lengths". Making it up on the fly exposes all the sausage making...
www.nano-flo.com
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Seeking clarification for those who may be inclined to order your products:
In the above fuse ad copy, you seem to imply that you can get your money back only if it fails. (you probably meant "your" money back rather than "you" money back). You also generously offer money back if it doesn't arrive in two weeks. What if it arrives in 2.5 weeks...who pays return shipping? Whereas under your warranty ad copy below...
Does this mean that any and all Nano-Flo products may be returned within 30 days for a full refund? Also, did you mean "RMI" or "RMA"?
What is "unique nano Power Flow technology"? You haven't tested for any power efficacy as of the date you post that on your website???
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It seems you are progressing along nicely and are reading, albeit at a snail’s pace, the book “How to successfuly market BS”.
You have finished chapter one: Come up with a product least likely to have any verifiable effect so that way you can claim anything.
You are well into chapter two now: offer to have product tested FOLLOWING claims of efficacy. Chapter two spells out carefully having shills in place having made :objective” third party claims of magic results. You kindof got a few things out of order in this scheme but oh well, double down.
Chapter three is when you offer magnanimously to have the product tested and offer to make the tests publicly available for all to see. (Cue the trumpets for the obligatory “tah-DAH!) If the test data is performed by a reputable testing lab, do not share the results with anyone UNLESS what you are trying to do is sow the seeds of distrust between fervent wanna-believers and those who happen to believe results of a certain kind CAN be measured. The author of the book however recommends NOT using a reputable lab…the last thing you woud want is to create a data point from which there are only two conclusions.
Chapter four: NOW…NOW is the time to create a perceived “act now or else moment”: Limit the supply (don’t worry, you can always release more later and be viewed as benevolent). Hopefully at this stage of the process, the book exclaims, orders will fly through and over the transom.
@nano-flo you deviated somewhat from the typical medicine show playbook by slipping up and had posted claims of “increases electrical conductance”. You might have been better served by stating that secret ingredients necessary to make the product have recently become rare rather than saying you were going to pull the product and release it only to the industrial illuminati. That way you could have really exploited the market in the event there was strong uptake.
I havent spent alot of time trying to figure out if your shills are willing participants in your plan or if they are just that gullable. @sheridd2 has about 20 forum posts, the bulk of which are on this topic. I’ve never had a problem with anyone wishing to smear mineral oil with suspended particles on the contacts of their gear…more power to them. They likely do hear a difference. (Oh, if you ever plan to sell any of your gear it would be nice to disclose that so that a potential buyer, especially those with a fully formed frontal lobe, could decide for themselves if that is a direction they wish to go).
The power cable sham is hilarious. You failed to follow the playbook and made a claim easily verified by an independent thord party, an exercise you will never undertake. The adding of the .50 cent sheath on the $5 power cord was a nice touch. Jokes aside, this entire episode may rank right up there with the most bumbling, clumsy and ill conceived roll outs of unsubstantiated excrement in medicine show or carnival midway history.
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@jetter I know right? Maybe nano-flo should consider including in the claims that it also prevents the next pandemic, whatever it may be. |
@thecarpathian its highly likely that @nano-flo WILL release some results from a handpicked, non-qualified “tech”…maybe someone he met while throwing back some Schlitz or Ginny Cream Ale down at the Jersey shore. It will really have him scratching his head that after the few zealots are finished with the initial “order rush” that there just aren’t enough people willing to stop dancing around Stonehenge long enough to order his products. Look at the bright side, he will never have to look for a standard Home Depot power cord in the event he ever acquires any home audio gear. |
I will yield to what you believe you hear in your system. I will also yield to your belief that each of the elixirs you have utilized over the years improved upon the previous version. You are all in and thats terrific. (Be sure to make a note to self: from here on, since Nano-Flo can’t evidently ever be removed that all future elixirs will need to be evaluated mentally in combination with Nano-Flo).
I will, however, pose this question which I believe drives many of us who have seemingly pounced on poor defenseless @nano-flo . Are you a candidate for the magic power cord? Do you believe Nano-Flo is being forthright in representing this cord’s efficacy? So, if you believe in the efficacy and representations of the contact enhancer and don’t believe in the efficacy and representations of the power cord, how do you reconcile this? |