Make/buy rumble/warp filter for pre phono inputs?


Any tips on what to do in order to add a simple but high-quality rumble and warp filter network to my c-j PV-8 preamp's phono inputs? I know from experience that the RIAA section in this piece does not contain such a filter. It seems to me like the ideal design would remain outside the chassis and maybe plug directly into the input jacks, so that it could be easily removed when not needed, yet not require adding another set of interconnects to the signal path or turn the preamp into a "modified" piece. Are there any good DIY plans out there for such a device, or does anyone manufacture something like this?
zaikesman

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This is possible, and I had hoped another member would offer a suggestion by now. I hesitated because I think this is a terrible idea.

Any low pass or rumble filter means cutting off the bass. Unfortunately this occurs over a much larger frequency than you might imagine. I have heard filters that affected the lower midrange, when they were aimed as solving excessive woofer excursion.

I had a phono stage that a manufacturer was experimenting with. He had gotten complaints, primarily from Japan about woofer movement.

Bottom line is that he put the "fix" on my phono stage and I went crazy looking for problems (tubes, set up, etc.) for days. I finally called him and told him my problem and he confessed he had tried the new circuit. After removing it my sound was perfect again.

If you have a good system, I would forget about the filter. If you have a turntable that excites the system excessively, spend the money to repair or replace the source of the problem, rather than filtering it.
Zaikesman, now I understand. I admire you for caring enough about music to save these less than perfect favorites, and now your filter idea makes perfect sense.

The problem is that putting a network of resistor and capacitor at the input of your RIAA stage can mess up the phono cartridge load and the input impedance of the preamp.

I suggest calling Conrad Johnson and tell them your situation. They have engineers that have probably already addressed this problem for others. My guess is that the filter should be in a tape loop. Other possibility is an equalizer, allowing you to cut and add for each situation as needed.