It is amazing how much effort and capitol some will put into trying to reduce the effects of the fundemental design flaw in a speaker. All the effort and cost put into making a box sound less like a box...lunacy! Break free fellow audiophiles...Magnepan awaits you:O) |
I heard all the magico's at my dealer. The V3's are nice but at the price point, ridiculous. Even a piano is tough to squeeze thru box drivers, let alone an orchestra. All you have to do is listen. Remember, I'm not talkin about your fathers Maggies....I'm refering to the 3.6R's(with the re-worked crossovers) and 20.1's. |
I agree and have owned and enjoyed some very conventional designs. Acoustic instruments just seem to sound a bit more natural and uncompressed through say a planar speaker. It's all relative of course. |
I disagree, Bass drums never sounded so realistic. The lowest frequencies of the pipe organ however, are best handled by dynamic cones. Most of the dynamic capability of my Maggie 3.6R's were unexpected and a complete surprise. Still haven't recieved an answer as to the new crossover's mine have and how much of a difference they are making. Results probably vary greatly relative to the room one is loading with a planar. |
Magico speakers are very expensive and completely useless without commensurate electronics, cables and acoustics. You need to hear them and have lot's of money. I have heard them and find them to be good speakers, more French sounding then anything. The older I get the more offensive I find companies that try to overcompensate for inherently flawed designs and then charge the customer a kings ransome for said designs. |
If you don't know what a French sound is (ala JM Labs) then you must be new at this game. I didn't say they were bad speakers, just unjustifiable at the price point. By the way, an orchestra is a wall of sound. Close your eyes at a concert and you will understand that instruments project sound in all directions...they don't focus their energy at your head (that is a Hi Fi artifact). So many great speakers are available at a lower price of admission. As I said, it's a bit daft to put so much effort and cost into building a box that you don't want to sound like a box, DUH!! |
See, Sirspeedy understands the French:O) |
I frequent the orchestra often and I've owned very capable box speakers like Dunlavy SC-V's, Wilson W/P 6's, Dynaudio C4's and B&W 801N's. The 3.6R's with SS amplification delivers a more believable representation of a bass drum for me...impact plus wave propagation and decay. Not overblown, slow or ponderous. Alot of people tweak the life out of their systems and deaden the sound so much it becomes lifeless. Mine are 3.6R's wt new crossovers and not the older 3.6's. |
I understand James63, believe me! I am not a novice and have owned many $100K systems in various homes over the years...most of them box based. For orchestral, planars sound far more natural. Jazz also sounds more continuous and existing in the same space. In addition, my planars have more natural tone across the board..smoother strings, large soundstage, exceptional treble (best in the business), amazing reproduction of overtones and a quikness that adds far more coherency than most any conventional speaker system. Just play a piano piece and anyone who has been around live piano music frequently (that's me) can hear the difference...my 3.6R's give you the whole piano clearly, coherently and with accurate pitch defintion. Even squeezing a Baby Grand through a largish box design can be difficult. But, I will allow you to return to your regularly scheduled insanity with no further interruptions :O) No hard feelings, I remember my first couple pairs of Wilsons and then Dyn's, even my Dunlavy SC-V's etc.. When you want to believe in something bad enough you will...at least for awhile. My biggest pet peeve is that very little work is being done to really advance the state of the art in audio playback...month after month of cover stories featuring another groundbreaking box speaker (not). FYI, the best box speaker I've heard is Avalon with Spectral gear. |
Maybe you missed my trip down memory lane when I mentioned my ARC referemce setup or the krell Evo rig or any of the other numerous 6 figure setups I've owned. You can call my dealers if you like or maybe my bank account? The older I get the less tolerant I am of overpriced, overhyped audio gear. Perhaps if you were aware of audio's rise and decline over the past 2 decades you would understand a little bit better. Some of the most learned members of the audio community own planars i.e.Maggies and understand fully the squeeze effect I mentioned. People like George Cardas for example, owns maggies. Many of the audio industry people I have dealt with own maggies...they can afford anything, but they choose Magneplanars. Why? Because they sound like music and not like what YOU think music should sound like. Anyway, in the end I sold the million dollar estate, got rid of the Land Rover, cashed in my last foray into mega systems and bought some music making equipment that happened to cost a whole lot less...and it sounds better:O) |
It's no wonder concert attendance is at an all time low considering the lack of perspective on these threads. Does everyone have ADD? I listened to the Magico lineup and it sounds just fine. Not worth the price, but fine enough. The sheer fact that you can't even appreciate a Magnepan for what it does speaks volumes. The "fools" comment was directed at the A'Gon members at large, regarding the fact that Magenpan has changed their crossover on the 3.6R and no one even cocks an ear. I am very much aware of many top tier offerings and would at least be provoked enough to ask what the new crossover was about within the context of a comparative discourse, such as has occured here. I am also fully aware of the excessive compulsive build manifest in the Magico speakers. My point was elementary simple..it's still a box and a really expensive one. Talk about not being original, jeez! By the way, your communication skills are less than average, Dhaan. I'm not the one trying to squeeze a piano through a box...you are my friend. |
I didn't wish to harp on anyone per se, but only to shake the percieved paradigm a bit as it relates to speakers in general. Emotion and passion are too often missing from our complacent exchanges. Choir practice can get boring, don't you think? I CAN appreciate Magico and even respect AW for his work...I just feel that the last thing we need is another high priced box! Where is the innovation? Great leaps in technology have occured only so often throughout the course of human existence. Magnepan was one of those leaps and should be appreciated as such. MBL comes to mind as well...anyone recall Plasmatronics? |
Thanks guys, for some straight forward discussiion. I didn't really want to start a pissing match. It just get's me fired up when certain principles are ignored and or talked around. one of my favorite small footprint box designs are the Totem Forests and Manni 2 Sig's. Enjoy the joys of audio:O) |
Talk about ignorance...there is no hope for the clueless coverstory audiophile. The latest piece of garbage with some new age karma attached to it will sell at least enough overpriced units to keep a company in business for a few years. Ever hear a pair of Bozak B313 speakers circa 1962? If you did you would understand that music reproduction and expense don't always make for a good marriage. Magnepan is not the new kid on the block, so ignorance sets in with the audio of the month club (I know, I was with 'em). The current generation Maggies (like the 3.6R's with the new crossover which none of the fools on this website even talk about) deliver music on such an exhalted level that if it's truly MUSIC you listen to, and not equipment, you would be enthralled. I'm starting to understand J. Gordon Holt's attitude towards the High End in his last few years on this planet...what a bunch of suckers we can be sometimes! My brothers Sansui Model 8 reciever wt Bozak speakers and a Garrard turntable hooked up with "out of the box" wires had more emotional impact than most current generation HiFi kit does today. The theory of relativity will never be "OLD", nor will Darwin's "Theory of Evolution". Magnepan remains viable based on innovation, refinement and passion. I sincerely question whether any of the members on this thread have ever wept during a live performance of Shostakovich's 8th symphony...to do so would indicate an emotional sensibility in harmony with my overall disposition, which is a deep appreciation of music. FYI, pyramids (not pirimids) have stood the test of time. Me thinks Magico will not! |
