LYRA DELOS CARTRIDGE TOO BRIGHT, THIN AND SHRILL SOUNDING


Have had a Lyra Delos Cartridge for the last month and have any of you goners noticed a elevated treble, shrill thin bright sound from this Cartridge? I wish I had my HANA ML back. This Lyra sounds horrible!!!
jeffvegas

Showing 6 responses by chakster

What $500 MM cartridges?

The question addressed to another person, but in my opinion there are many. 

Those moving magnet carts in NOS condition with genuine Stereohedron styli are not even the top models, but they are better than many MC cartridges:



1) Stanton 881s or mk2 version
2) Pickering XSV/3000 and XSV/4000



If you ask for the cheapest possible superb MM for about $350-750 the Stanton/Pickering have so many followers who can swear those Stereohedron models are great and much better (in terms of price/quality) than most of the new MM in this price.



I can also add Sony XL-50 with Boron Pipe cantilever as a great sleeper, I bought a few NOS samples over the years and compared this model to much more expensive MC carts in my system.



With $700 - 2000 budget the list of amazing MM or MI cartridges is much bigger and very few LOMC can compete with them.





Then buy "what you can actually buy".

I bought all the cartridges online, not only those I have mentioned (they are easy to find), but even much more rare ones for my collection of the best cartridges.

You don’t know that JICO made styli for discontinued cartridges too (even S.A.S. for some vintage MM models) ?

You don’t know all those new carts like Grado, SoundSmith, Audio-Technica, Nagaoka, Garrott, Goldring, Ortofon that you can buy almost everywhere (including models for $500) ?

This thread is a good demonstration of the different preferences, some people prefer cheaper MC to more expensive MC, some people prefer MM or MI to many cheap MC, some people just search for the ultimate cartridges in mint condition (or NOS) from the past in every category (MC, MM, MI).

But some people are too lazy to search and discover things, they want others to tell them what to do and what to buy, but it’s not necessary a good advice, often their mentors have nothing to compare those new carts to. Experience is a good thing (not the price) !





jvc tonearm ua 7045 and TT 81 101 works extremely well with it. which easy and cheap to buy. very analog. resolved. powerful and musical combo.


Victor TT-101 is not easy and not cheap to buy :) First of all: the Victor TT-101 in perfect working condition is impossible to find, repair cost nearly $2k. We shipped one for repair to JP, other members claimed they can’t even fix their TT-101 for many years.

What is cheap is TT-81, much simpler turntable, easy to fix, but technically not on the same level as Victor reference TT-101 !
tt81 is ok... 200 300 ish good condition. I just bought 2 for my friends


TT-81 is cheap, but reference class TT-101 is always broken and always listed as junk with no return. Repair of tt-101 cost nearly $2k and can tale a year in the USA (if you’re not in USA like myself it’s terrible). Not everyone is a skilled tech and very few have a tech who can handle TT-101.  

Denon DP-80 is better than cheap TT-81 (in my opinion) and always reasonably priced on ebay where buyer is protected and return is possible.

But import tax is different from country to country and it’s very high in Europe if you don’t know (can be 20-30% from the amount that must include shipping cost too).

This is why a brand new Technics SP-10R DD with warranty is better.

I think Luxman PD-444 is great because the owner don’t have to think about plinth (and it’s for 2 tonearms).
I remember when J.Carr posted on audiogon about this new design from Japanese company TOWING.

Two models available: Suzaku and Seiryu

*** It’s Coreless straight-flux system (read below):

"As its name suggests, the coreless straight-flux system has no core material, with the left and right coils arranged in a V shape directly above the magnet. With that, the stylus tip picks up fluctuations in magnetic flux produced by the fine sound grooves, reproducing them into sound directly and thus accurately.

This system does not generate any of the issues associated with MC cartridges, with which the coil output line moves irregularly within the magnetic flux and leads to sound disturbance, or with MM cartridges, with which responsiveness deteriorates due to a long magnetic path length.

Moreover, this system shares the high level of maintainability of MM cartridges. The stylus (needle, cantilever, assembled magnets), coil, damper, and more, are all constructed of interchangeable designs, which allows stylus replacement at 1/10th the original cartridge price.

The coreless straight-flux system is a singular technology that not only retains the advantages of existing MC and MM cartridges but also eliminates the drawbacks."


As a matter of fact I hope some designer builds a balls to the wall Moving Magnet. Like a 5k dollar moving magnet. I’ll buy it.

@jeffvegas unfortunately it’s $14k - $16k and you can read this review or that review.

The coreless straight-flux system adopted for the SERIYU “Blue Dragon” was conceived by Hiromu Meguro, former design assistant of the Grace F-8 cartridge and principal designer of F-9 cartridge, when he was with Shinagawa Musen Co. Mr. Meguro worked on the basic designs of the TX-1000 and Dragon CT players and on the design of the Center-Search mechanism during his time at Nakamichi Corp. Then, the notion that moving magnet (MM) cartridges were inexpensive and moving coil (MC) cartridges were of higher grade pushed to the back of Mr. Meguro’s mind this system’s concept, which was categorized as an MM device despite dramatic differences compared with conventional MM cartridges. This system, which fell short of commercialization even in analog audio’s heyday, is being revived thanks to today’s state-of-the-art technology.

MC’s are COMPLETELY overrated.

I think modern MC cartridges are overpriced for sure, but they have so many fans worldwide, while few people aware of something new on MM territory (like TOPWINGS for example), anyway those new Coreless Straight-Flux cartridges priced accordingly for their buyers (very expensive).

My ortofon 2m black blew the Hana and Lyra out of the water!!! MOVING COILS ARE HIGHLY OVERRATED.

Many people are happy with the same Ortofon model, if you prefer an MM cartridge over more expensive MC it’s fine and nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why people trying to prove something to you. Having different cartridges it’s fun and not all cartridges are good to our ears.

In my opinion there are many better MM than Ortofon, but most of them are discontinued models, you know than MM era is gone, the best MM designed and made in the 80’s. I’ve been looking for them for many years, compared them to more expensive modern MC and quite happy about the sound! If you prefer MM it’s fine. Some of my absolute favorite MM are: AT-ML180 OCC, AT-ML170 OFC, Grace LEVEL II and F14 (Sapphire, Ruby, Boron, Ceramic, Beryllium versions), Pioneer PC-1000 mkII, Stanton CS-100 W.O.S. , Pickering XSV/5000 and 7500. You don’t have to pay $5k for a decent MM, most likely $1k - $3k for the ultimate MM, but It must be a NOS unit to blow your ba**s away.

As you can see for something revolutionary new (MM) they want over $14k today, welcome to the High-End world.  
IME, there is no component (nothing) that sounds "bad", "horrible", "wrong" out of the box, and turns into a good, great, fantastic after x hours. The real character is audible within the first hour. After that it is only about smoothening out and opening up overall. If you don't like the fundamental sound of Lyra in the first hour, it is going to be the same even after 200 hours.


Totally agree, never owned Lyra, but it's about any cartridge.
And a tiny VTF/VTA adjustment, azimuth or overhang will not do the magic!