Long run balanced interconnects


I am looking at a situation that may require that I do a long run (25 feet) of balanced cable.  Should I expect there to be a degradation on sound quality if the long run was between the phono amp and the preamp versus the preamp and the speakers?  Any other advice regarding long runs of balanced cables?
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Showing 3 responses by almarg

While in the majority of systems I would agree with my learned Audiogon colleagues and friends who have suggested placing the long cable between preamp and power amp, in this case I’m going to disagree. Of course, as was suggested what would be ideal is to try it both ways, but if that is not practical here are reasons I suspect placing it between the phono stage and preamp is more likely than not to be the better choice, if it makes any difference at all (which it might not in this case):

1) The XP17 has a considerably lower output impedance (spec’d as 220 ohms balanced) than the Ref6 (measured by Stereophile as 612 ohms balanced at mid and high frequencies and 1378 ohms at 20 Hz). That will reduce sensitivity to some cable effects. Although the Ref6’s output impedance is still low enough to probably not be an issue with most 25 foot cables having reasonable capacitance.

2) Given the high sensitivity of your speakers, you are most likely using volume control settings which result in lower signal voltages at the output of the preamp than the phono stage is providing to the input of the preamp.

3) I suspect that neither component is particularly susceptible to ground loop issues (which can be sensitive to cable length). ARC designs for which I’ve seen schematics have a 10 ohm resistor between chassis ground and signal/circuit ground, which will help in that respect, and I would assume that Nelson Pass does something in the XP17 design which is at least as effective and perhaps more so.

Finally, I second the recommendations of either Canare or Mogami Gold Studio, which are widely used in studios and don’t cost a great deal. And keep in mind, as Jaytor pointed out, that as a general rule of thumb balanced interfaces tend to have less sensitivity to cable differences than unbalanced interfaces.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al

What is the preamp?  Also, it may be helpful for us to know the make and model of the power amp.

Regards,
-- Al

It depends on a number of equipment-dependent variables, including the output impedances of the phono stage and preamp, other aspects of the designs of the output stages of those components (which may be unknown), the capacitance of the particular cable, and possibly the susceptibility of the components to ground loop issues (which is usually unpredictable). Let us know the make and model of the phono stage and the preamp, and we **might** be able to make a prediction.

Regards,
-- Al