KT120 on Copland CTA-405 integrated amp


Hi everyone,

Looking for some guidance... I hope you can help!!
I own a Copland CTA-405 integrated amplifier (great gear btw). Runs as a standard with 4 x KT88 delivering 50 wpc.

I am considering replacing my set of KT88 with a KT120 quad.

Being aware of the precautions to be taken (it is generally advised to check with the manufacturer, due to potential impact on power/output transformers, considering the KT120 characteristica) and since it's not possible to contact Copland directly, I asked 3 different official Copland dealers in 3 different countries, which gave me the following feedback:

- dealer #1 & #2: checked with Copland and no problem as long as bias is set at the same level as for KT88 (0,45V). From what they explained, it's something they verified with the manufacturer, who gave "green light" and recommended same bias setting.

- dealer #3: stated that "main transformer will over run if KT120 are used and could create a mechanical noises. We do not recommend to use KT120 on this unit". Not sure if this comes from the manufacturer or if it's the dealer's own advice. Not sure neither if they reached such conclusion thinking on the typical / optimum bias setting for a KT120 or considering that they would be biased below optimum spec at the same level as KT88.

From Copland's product brochure:

"The current capacity of the CTA405 power supply and output transformers is fully sufficient for a 100 Watts output power. However, with operation conditions set for minimum variation of plate and screen current in the output stage, excellent performance is obtained with very low feedback at 2x 50 Watts per channel."

I am only aware of 2 people having changed to KT120 with this same amplifier: one good friend of mine (he biased at KT88 level) and he's having no problem at all so far since about 3 months, and another person I read about in another audio forum, for whom the swap seems to be working fine as well but no way of verifying... :-)

Anyone here tried this with this amp already, or can provide some guidance/advice? I would really appreciate... since I got some contradictory feedbacks from dealers and I would prefer to play it safe...

Thanks !!!

BTW I have no clue about the plate current, etc of the amp (not mentioned in the manual)
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Showing 5 responses by wolf_garcia

I was going to order some GL KT88s for my Jolida and decided "meh"...the KT120s are doing such a great job I'm leaving them in there for now (note: Yhey hold their bias settings amazingly...I don't need to check that really but I do anyway out of curiosity and to justify having a meter) besides, do I really need 4 sets of output tubes for that amp? (rhetorical question...please do not respond)...
I asked this question, more or less, when considering KT120s for my Jolida 502p. Based on my reading posts, suggestions, tube articles, labels, tea leaves, talking to tube salespeople (and talking to the Jolida people), stopping strangers on the street, and reading any info I could find anywhere regarding being careful about overloading transformers with higher demand, it would seem that nobody has ever had an actual issue with that in the history of KT120s...nobody...ever.
The "might fail down the road" is the sum of Failure Information to date. I am thusly comforted by my warranty, and will patiently wait for the possible mass transformer meltdown that could be sweeping Tubedom over the next couple of years. My experience so far is an imagined physical amp hum (turns out it does this very low level "stick your ear next to the amp to hear it" buzz regardless of tube type...overall a VERY low noise amp) being a non-issue, a really interesting self education regarding the sonic characteristics of various tube types, singed fingers, and hours and hours of glorious tubey music.
Gold Lions and KT120s are made at the same plant, so you may already have your wish, although "GL" KT120s sort of can't exist since the GLs are a new-ish reproduction of a classic tube...it is interesting that nobody (I've heard of anyway) is making a KT120 type in China or someplace since they're such a hit. I'm gonna buy a matched quad of GL KT88's because I'm curious about 'em, they look very cool, and they're only slightly more expensive (maybe 20 bucks) than 120s if you avoid "cryoed" or NOS originals. I already have a set of Sovtek 88s (Again, same plant as GLs...that sound great...really), along with the 120s and Tung Sol 6550s, so this might put my tube stash into the "serious compulsive tubehead" area, for which I may need therapy.
And so we wait for the "Transpocalypse." I'm posting guards on my Jolida just in case...or at least until I can get my hands on some Gold Lion KT88s.