KEF LS50 or Wharfedale Reva 2 -- which would you buy?


Hi all,

I am considering upgrading my speakers and am between the KEF LS50 and Wharfedale Reva 2 speakers. I'm not able to hear either one where I am located so am looking for some input.

I am also able to get the Reva 2s for about half the price of the LS50, but if the KEFs are the right move I am ok spending more time saving for them.

Some notes to consider:

- Speakers will be used only for music, not TV/ movies
- Receiver is an older Denon DRA 825R (90 watts/ channel into 8 ohms). Minimum is 6ohms (please don't suggest I get the UB5s).
- Turntable is Pro-ject Carbon Debut
- Room is about 15x17 apartment living room
- I listen to everything from classic rock to jazz to classical. I don't listen to hip hop, house, or modern pop.

I am really just looking for beautiful sounding (and nice looking) speakers at $1k or less (I can get the LS50 for $1k or the Reva 2s for $450). I live in an apartment so the music is never loud, just looking for great sounding speakers.

The reviews on both seem very good. The LS50 is clearly a more popular speaker. I guess the question there is -- is it worth an extra $550 for me?

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
coaster86

Showing 10 responses by b_limo

Hi. Coaster!  Let me share my LS50 experience with you.

I put together a new system last Thanksgiving timeframe.  I had been without for a couple of years so its really nice to get back into the hobby!

I’ll just get to the point quickly here.  The LS50’s are great speakers; don’t buy them, lol.  They are incredibly hard to drive and as a result, be prepared to spend anywhere between $1500-$2500 on the front end.  I had a McCormack Micro Line Drive, B&K reference 4420 amp, audioquest red dragonfly, jitterbug, analysis plus speaker cables (oval 8?), Rel T9i subwoofer.

I burned the speakers in for 50+ hours.

They do vocals and imaging and acoustic guitars amazingly well but they have little to no bass and on quite a bit material, they sound very very thin.  The Rel T9i did not make up the difference like I had thought.

I’m thinking that someone will chime in and say that they sound amazing hooked up to their pass labs or conrad johnson equipment but I digress.

My advice would be to decide whats important to you soundwise and then put together a system that will be fulfilling to you.

The Passive LS50’s did not play rock music well at allfor me.  3 doors down “the road I’m on” sounded awful.  The LS50’s had no dynamics, zero slam (someone will tell me it was my preamp and that I need a good tube preamp / quicksilver, audio research etc).

Bottom line, I was not trying to buy a $1000 pre, $1500 amp, $800 dac, $800 in cables, just to achieve a sound that was almost as good as the Kef LS50 Wireless ($2200) only without the bass or magical imaging that I am hearing from the Active version.

I decided to sell / return all my gear, pocket $500, and end up with an amazing sound on all types of music while visually getting rid of a laptop, pre amp, amp, speaker cables, interconnects, over size power cords etc. Oh, and now I have remote control over music selection and as bad as the remote is (its bad, lol), its still better than no remote control which is what I had been using for the past 5 years.

So, to summarize, buy the Active LS50’s and selleverything else, OR, buy some speakers that have sound characteristics that you are looking for and that sound good with your Denon. Easy to drive speakers that sound good with a variety of amplification and sound good with Classic Rock should be what you are looking for.  ZU is a good recommendation in that regard.

Buut, if you can swing it, the Active LS50’s are pretty special and a downright bargain considering what you get in a small, neat package.

Good Luck withyour search and have fun! Stressing out, like I often do, will heighten the chances of a wrong choice.  Let your ears be the judge and if it doesn’t sound good to you after your purchase, and after you’ve burned them in, return them and try something else.  Don’t go down the “upgrade everything inorder to make the speakers that you don’t like sound decent” road.
Raal Ribbon Tweeter, bmr mid with a 7” scan speak woofer for $1300...wow!


I don’t have any personal experience with that Denon but it does seem to get good reviews.

The thing is, the kefs will dip to 4 ohms (even 3) at certain freqs. so I think its best to have an amp that definately doubles down in power.  If the amp doesn’t do that, it can sound bright with these already bright / revealing speakers.

It looks like the Denon is rated for speakers 6-16 ohms.  The power looks to be 90 watts at 8 ohms and 140 at 4 ohms.  For comparison, the B&K Reference that I was using is rated at 225 at 8 ohms and 350 at 4 ohms; it was barely enough to wake them up.  

Also, a high effiecient speaker like a ZU will sound far more dynamic and involving at low volumes compared to the passive LS50’s with anything less than something like a Rogue Audio Sphinx or Hegel H150, in my oppinion.

I’m not trying to be argumentative here either so please don’t take it that way!  Just thinking outload :)
Just to further complicate things...

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9a340-pbn-audio-micro-monitor-superb-speaker-system-monitors

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html
 
I would throw in Dynaudio Excite and I was looking for a few others for you as well but they must have sold.  

There were 2 different listings on Audiogin a few days ago for Active LS50’s for $1400.  Ifyou’re trying to get to an amazing level of sound as quick as possible for the least amount of money, go this route.  Its more now but you’ll save in the long run and end up with something very special.  I can tell you want LS50’s; I totally understand but I can share with you from many hours (100+ on both Actives and Passives over the past 3 months) of personal exerience, the Actives blow the Passives away (imho) and the passives sounded good.  I just think that there are other speakers out there in the $1000 range that sound better than the LS50’s until you have serious money ($5k?) in the front end.  

Used Passives-$750
Used Actives-$1400


If you’re willing to go $1000 on new LS50’s you might want to think about selling the denon for a couple hundred and trying to get a pair of Actives second hand.


Anyhow, do let us know which route you go and what you’re impressions are of whichever speaker you end up with!


I’ve thought of the reliablilty issues as well but will take my chances.  I think if I had any issues even shortly after the 1 year ran up, that my dealer would still take care of me.

Rsure, did you have the same 4 issues or were they different?  Maybe you could explain in more detail.  4 pairs in a year is pretty bad...  how long ago was it, did kef have anything to say etc

“but the compactness of so much trying to project from one area of a speaker design seemed to lose some definition and sparkle.“

...huh?

I too bought my setup from Magnolia, simply because I had to put some on my credit card.  Most employees at Magnolia are clowns and their c.s. Is borderline awful.  Just try getting them on the telephone at the store.  In addition, they have to order most of what I buy there yet they can’t nail down a delivery date and when it does come in, there a 50/50 shot at it being the right product. Do yourself and local community a favor and support your local “mom and pop” hifi store whenever possible.

I am not a B&W fan but I do agree that at Magnolia, they did have more sparkle up top than the kefs.  They were being demo’d through a $2000 integrated Marantz.
I honestly haven’t heard either to any extent.  I cN go listen to the R3’s today if you want!

I think that the R3 or even the R300 would make you happy.  It’s my guess that they will have alot of the same magic as LS50’s only they will have more bass AND be easier to drive.  They would probably sound fantastic with your denon too!

Kef Direct has R300’s for $1299 and theres a pair of R3’s here on Audiogon for $1260!


Coaster,
I already contacted my sales rep about an extended warranty.  He offered my 4 years for $350...

I’ll probably sign up for it just for peace of mind.

I noticed on another thread that you had 2 different sets of paradigm actives go bad on you too. My initial thoughts were it was something that you were doing to them, no offense.  I’ve searched the internet for other LS50 wireless owners who were having relibility issues as well but coupdn’t find any really (doesn’t mean that people haven’t had issues though).

I think even at full price+tax+extended warranty that they are still worth the $ and a bargain even.

If I had the same issues as you though, I would have returned them as well.  I would imagine that if you had electrical issues that you’d be frying your amps too.

Thank You for sharing your exact failures though, that may be helpful to some of us LS50 wireless owners some day!
Ok, so I went and listened to the R3’s tonight on a $1000 denon (90watts), a $2200 Arcam, and a $5500 Mac.  They sounded decent on the Mac and that was it.  The room was awful, they weren’t set up properly or broken in so that all plays a big role.

Thing is, I think they are the same as LS50’s in that they need lots of good, clean (usually expensive) power.

I have heard both the dynaudio excites and PSB Imagines and both sounded great.  I’d be willing to bet that either of those would sound better with your amp.  The Kefs of course will sound amazing, perhaps better, but not with anything less than $2-3k in the front end (my guess).

Dynaudio is awesome.  The Excite series is when they start sounding really good.  The drivers and cabinets are top notch and built in house. 

Those PSB’s are the least exotic or boutique of the speakers I mentioned but they are still built like tanks, and are built in Canada. None of the speakers I recommended were built in china by the way.  These PSB’s may actually sound best with your denon because they are more than likely the easiest and most efficient of the speakers I mentioned.

Totems, again are great!  Crazy good imaging and tone, and again, built in Canada.  The cabinets are built exceptionally well and the drivers are sourced from reputable, high end companies.

And last but not least, PBN are great speakers built by a great builder as well who’s been in the industry forever and is super knowledgeable as well as easy to get ahold of if you ever need support.

I usually look at where the speakers are made, how the cabinets are constructed, what drivers are used (seas, vifa, morel, scan speak, dynaudio, raal, etc), crossover componets...  I tend to like danish, british and canadian speaker builders along with some here in the U.S. also (pbn, tyler acoustics, nola, vapor, ryan?, joseph audio, just to name a few).  

Many of the top companies will use drivers from the same manufacturer built to custom specs and implemented in unique ways dependant upon crossovers and enclosures / driver layouts.  Its nice though when you can land a pair of bookshelf speakers for $800-$1200 that uses seas excel drivers or the like.