Rok, you are participating in, and enjoying the best possible way to add to your collection; for example, I never even heard of "Niel Larsen", but now he will get added to my collection, thanks to Frogman.
The very worst records and CD's I have are the result of "Stereophile"; they definitely know good equipment, but good music is a horse of another color. When I told a record store owner I was an "Audiophile", he said "Oh yea, you're one of those guys who plays the same record over and over". Little did I know how true that was in regard to some Audiophiles. The better the equipment, the worse the collection. Although this certainly doesn't hold true for all Audiophiles, you get my drift.
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Rok, that would have been OK if they had just left the word "jazz" out.
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Rok, that bluegrass reminded me when I visited the Clampetts in the hills of Beverly, I'll tell you about it sometime.
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Now that we have thoroughly covered the 50's and 60's, it's time to move into the 70's. Miles ushered in the 70's with "Bitches Brew". I saw him live with that same group before the album came out, and fortunately I was with some guys from New York (they seem to know everything about new music) because the experience was the same as turning up a bottle of whiskey, and tasting wine; this was not the Miles I expected to hear. Head Hunters, and Weather Report were two groups that impressed me with this new music. Although we try to communicate music with words, it's impossible; the only thing that can be communicated is how this music affected or impressed "you", and that's the only person you can speak with any authority for. "Sextant" was the Herbie Hancock album that impressed me, it really blew me away; I even liked the cover art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0L3RXYxS0Weather Report, "I Sing The Body Electric" was the first album I acquired by that group, it took me to another world; the music was not of this universe, it took me someplace I've never been before, and I liked it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBMLhDw1xOw Frogman, both "Oregon" and Chick Corea are well represented in my collection. Enjoy the music. |
Since I listen to music all over the place every day, covering two time periods in jazz is no problem.
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Since I've expressed my opinion countless times, countless ways in regard to Mr. Wynton Marsalis; if anyone cares to know, they can go back to pages 9, 10, 11 and 12; I do believe I've expressed my thoughts as thoroughly as I could think them, and they haven't changed.
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Rok, "Slow Freight", by Ray Bryant has become one of my favorite tunes. I grew up a half block away from a railroad track where slow freights miles long crossed, I know what it's like to have to wait for a slow freight.
This isn't music, it's a portrait; you have a wino whose route to his appointed destination, has been blocked by a slow freight. (slow freights don't cross in the swanky parts of town) Ray Bryant's music is going through his head while he's waiting for this "slow Freight" to cross, which has a slow blues beat, and while he's waiting, he just happens to have a bottle of "joy" to swig on.
Music that can paint a picture is a rare thing, and it seems the only tunes that have that quality, came out in the 50's and 60's.
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Frogman, who would believe two guitars could make so much music. To be honest, I can't tell whether or not Paco or John is playing when I'm listening to CD or LP. I have this LP with Paco, John, and Al Di Meola, and I try to determine who is playing; but since I can't, in the end I give up and just enjoy the incredible music these three masters of the guitar can create. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaCZ106b5wEnjoy the music. |
Accept everyone as they are; Rok is Rok, neither we nor Rok can change that, we just have to accept Rok as he is. Rok, don't change a hair for me, not if you care for me.
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Acman3, you are an "Audiophile", this hobby is an important part of your life, and the music being discussed is also important to you. This might be the only thread where people who like the same music as you, are discussing it.
When you go to the record store, who do you go there to please? Eliminate the negative, and accentuate the positive.
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Frogman, that's been one of my favorites since it came out; the words to that song offer so much insight into living with the opposite sex, and it's so beautiful. Phil Woods sax solo is fantastic, it made that song a hit.
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I was listening to "Star Eyes" from my computer play list, and thinking that's got to be the best version of that tune I've ever heard. (I'm not even close to the computer when I listen; consequently, I can't read who's playing) Try as I might, I couldn't place who was playing. Although it was led by the tenor man, (I've got a lot of them), "OK, I'll just listen and enjoy the music."
The more I heard this tune, the better I liked it; when a tenor sax man can make the words and meaning of a song come out as well as a vocalist, that's saying something. I once knew a "Star Eyes" with the most astounding, sparkling eyes I've ever seen, and her image flashed before me.
The piano that followed the tenor fit so perfectly, then the trumpet; "That sounds like Lee Morgan", now back to that singing sax which brings out this tune as well as any vocalist.
I discovered this was "Star Eyes" off my Mosaic LP compilation, Mosaic MR4-106, The Complete Blue Note Recordings of The Tina Brooks Quintets; Lee Morgan, trumpet; Sonny Clark, piano; Doug Watkins, bass; Art Blakey, drums, and it was recorded on March 16, 1958. That was the congregation on "Star Eyes"; these various groups Tina assembled consist of the very best jazz musicians of that time between 58 and 61. This compilation of records contains 4 well recorded LP's and two booklets. Rok, while this compilation isn't available on CD, "Star Eyes" is available on "Tina Brooks - Minor Move" CD.
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Monk never played anything the same way twice, consequently, each time he played it was different.
Too many people on the planet. "Stick to music Rok".
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Rok, I'm still alive. Although life's changes put me up against a wall, I had to respond to that Rachell Farrell clip. It's what jazz is all about; she put every ounce of her heart into it, making the statement, "This is who I am".
Every second of that clip was outstanding; all of the artists were allowed to speak, and each spoke quite eloquently.
Frogman, I admire your in depth explanations of things most jazz aficionados don't know, but are eager to learn.
I want Leersfool and Acman3 to know I appreciate their input as well. Although I won't be posting, I'll continue to read everyone's posts religiously.
Keep up the good work Rok.
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I find it absolutely astonishing how tastes change over the years. Mine have gone full circle, now I'm back to where I began with "Blue Note".
Keith Jarret, Terje Rypdal, "Cadona", the group, John Abercrombie, Ralph Towner, Jan Gabarek, and Gary Burton, are just some of the musicians represented by my ECM phase as a music lover. I classify that phase and those musicians as quite introspective at that time.
Pat Metheny and Chic Corea were also with ECM, they've changed, and so have I; especially Pat Metheny, I can't get enough of his outing with Anna Maria Jopek on "Upojenie". Not only is the music outstanding, but so is the recording quality.
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Although presently I'm focusing on jazz vocal groups, I'm also deeply moved by vocals of a religious persuasion, such as "Motherless Child" by Afro Blue. It seems that all of us were moved by that group.
Never before have I been moved by vocals, minus musical instruments, but they did it; they plumbed the emotional depths of "Motherless Child". While it's not easy finding new vocal groups of this caliber, I'm sure you guys can do it.
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Rok, it would take a volume of books to answer the questions you ask in regard to music and the generations. Everything, including economics and social structure has to be taken into account; music is not created in a vacuum. When I attempt to answer your questions, after going around like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel, and finding myself in a tunnel that leads to a tunnel of it's own, I quit; that's when I throw the four sheets of paper in the can.
Frogman, it feels good to be back. On "Take 6", that's really different; religious lyrics in a jazzy groove, I like that. When I requested new groups of "Afro Blue's" caliber, I didn't realize how difficult that is, now I'm changing it to any time frame.
Rok, Anne Akiko Meyers is new to me, now I'm going to have to get everything she's put out; plus DVD's to gaze upon her foxy face, she's a treat for the eyes as well as the ears.
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Acman3, that was about as abstract as you can get.
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Rok, you really hit upon something. It's going to take time for a good response, but it's coming.
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Frogman, my previous post was in regard to vocal VS none vocal, and the quality of jazz in the 50's and 60's, as opposed to now; nothing about who is, or is not studying jazz. Nor do I pine for that sound by current musicians; that would be imitation, and not original; which is something I detest.
I'm sure there are vibrant jazz scenes in other parts of the world, because my purchases of "current" jazz are from: Korea, Poland, and India; while my latest purchases of jazz from here consist of the 50's and 60's jazz.
This is one time I definitely agree with Rok.
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Enough already! It seems that Acman3 is the only person still on the music, as opposed to factors surrounding the music that none of us know for sure. Let's get back on the track that will lead to new discoveries of jazz. But before we leave, I think we should all agree to broaden the definition, or not. In order to appease Rok, I've stayed within the narrow definition of the word, while my definition is quite broad. What ever the mutual definition is, is fine with me.
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Rok, in my last post I stated that I stayed within the narrow definition of jazz to appease you. While that was the downside, the upside more than made up for it. Had it not been for you, I never would have discovered Nica, and those two very well recorded decades of jazz. In regard to factors surrounding jazz, they are the same factors surrounding everything; every body except the very rich have a lot less money or are unemployed. If you want to know what I'm talking about, go to this website http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4Enjoy the music. |
This Louisiana gumbo is catching. Dr. John is Mr."Nawlins"; I like this. Unfortunately, New Orleans is so sad now, in regard to the people who live in the "Jects", that every time I think about New Orleans, I want to break my own rule and and go off on that subject; but let's stick to music, as hard as it is some time.
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Rok, this is the first time I ever heard of "James Booker". After listening to some of his music on "The tube", I discovered he has a "gospel spiritual" aspect to his sound that can be felt as much as heard; for that, I will have to get some of his music.
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Now that everyone else has submitted their alternate groove, it's my turn. Not only do I like the music, but this goes deep into that "audiophile" thang; my tweeters are tweetin, and my woofer is woofin, all in high definition. Anna Maria sounds like she's humpin to please on Pat Metheney's "Are You Going With Me" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJLN7_FaN04On "Wildlife" we run with the gazelles and other fleet footed hoofed animals across the African veldt. (close your eyes and use your imagination on both tunes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiVk-SDy8cAEnjoy the music. |
Rok, I have 80/81 and Full Circle; didn't think too much of either one. We must have depended on the same reviewer. I noticed we have a lot of the same records that might as well be in the dumpster.
I knew a musical genius, who like James Booker was hooked just as bad; that's when no shows get to be a constant thing, and unreliability is not tolerated in the entertainment industry. "Why"? That was a question I never got an answer to. I heard his last live sets and although he'd found what he was striving for musically, it never got recorded. As good as Mr. Booker was, I don't think he quite discovered his "inner self"; that's the one I hear in between the lines. If only he had lived a little longer.
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Rok, I have all of those plus Philip Glass. No longer do I read reviews. I haven't made a mistake since I discovered "The tube", and everyone who contributes to this thread.
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Rok, while we both agreed on the old "Regina Carter", based on the "new" Regina Carter, I ordered her latest CD, "Southern Comfort"; she sounds so relaxed and confident now. Her new CD is derived from her roots in the south before she was born, I think it will be quite interesting.
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Frogman, your musical observations are most astute. As you pointed out, she did many takes before she selected the one that's on CD, which was the best one; although the alternate takes were quite interesting as well.
My PC is on the fritz, but I'll try to post on a friend's machine.
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Rok, could you post what CD's these cuts are from. She compliments the musicians she's playing with so well that they sound better; that's the sign of an old pro who's still young.
Regina has also acquired an old mellow sound on her instrument that reminds me of somebody; I'm sure Frogman can tell me who. That sound is most profound on "I Can't Believe You're Still In Love With Me." Instead of forcing the music, she's just letting it flow.
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Frogman, that's exactly who I was thinking of. Although I couldn't place a name with the sound I was hearing in my mind, when I went to "Stephane Grapelli" on your post, the two came together. I have him as a sideman mostly, but that's going to change as of today.
Nothing stays the same, everything changes, and that includes my taste in jazz; what was old and slow before, is exactly what I want to hear now.
On "Oh,Lady Be Good", I could hear Django's ghost. It all came back to me, "Quintette du Hot Club de France". I've got to get more of that.
On "The Cluster Blues", they just let the music flow without forcing anything; that's a case of the harder an artist try's, the worse it gets, but if an artist just lets it come from within, the music flows and it works. Mark O' Conners Swing Trio did everything right.
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Rok, while we both agreed on the old "Regina Carter", based on the "new" Regina Carter, I ordered her latest CD, "Southern Comfort"; she sounds so relaxed and confident now. Her new CD is derived from her roots in the south before she was born, I think it will be quite interesting.
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Rok, you and Frogman can not communicate because he's speaking Spanish and you're speaking French. "Jazz", as ambiguous as that word is, is 100 times more definitive than "The Blues". Is one speaking of "jazz oriented" blues, or "Delta oriented" blues.
Miles went to Juilliard, and "John Lee" went to the juke joints and the cotton fields. Miles never got any closer to cotton than his Hanes underwear, or was that Michael Jordon; anyway you get my drift. Jazz and blues cultures are as far apart as night and day. A musicians music is intrinsically who he is. Forget about the music, simply go to "google" and compare the bios of jazz and blues musicians to see where I'm coming from. John Lee's nuts and bolts are the juke joints, cotton fields, and all the other cultural morays of African Americans from the Delta.
When you go to "google" and compare bios of musicians, you'll see where they are coming from, and where I'm coming from.
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Before I get misunderstood, I meant crediting "Regina Carter" with my reborn interest in this music, nothing more or less.
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Rok, I'm hoping the CD will offer something I didn't hear on the computer, but before I get the CD, I must say; they have too much of a "popular" sound for me. Just from reading the song titles, and personnel, I'm saying to myself "It's got to be good", but in my old age, I'm very hard to please because "good" is no longer good enough.
These are my thoughts before listening to the CD, I'll give you a long write up after.
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Acman, I believe that was the most appropriate response to a post that I've ever read.
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Rok, Marantz gives the biggest bang for the buck in CD players. I have the SA 8260, it's old now. I'm curious, what model? The new ones are computer compatible, which actually saves you money because you don't have to by a DAC for computer digital out. I'm sure you'll hear new music from your old CD's.
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"Southern Comfort" and the "new" Regina Carter were a surprise from jump street. The first cut "Miners Child" caught my attention; she gets into Appalachian music like I've never heard it before, her violin became a southern country fiddle.
Somehow this music brought back memories of riding on a "Trailways" bus, on a moonlit night gazing across wide expanses of nothing except for an occasional farm house silhouetted by the moonlight. Unless you have traveled the south on two lane black top roads by "Trailways" bus, you ain't seen the south. Her music brought back those memories, it was also reminiscent of Ry Cooders music that paints southern landscapes.
This "new" Regina Carter was a very pleasant and welcome surprise that defied genre.
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Rok, I've done this a number of times, and added considerably to my collection by doing so. Occasionally, I've added brand new musicians, but primarily it was old musicians who I thought, I already had their greatest recordings.
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Acman, I find it hard to believe this is a current album as well as he's playing. I've seen him live many times, good clean living has really paid off; while the other musicians might fraternize after the set, Ahmad was on his way home; that was when he was in Chicago.
"Blue Moon" is on order.
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