Impact on HiFi sales


I'm just curious as what holds in our future regarding buying, selling of used and new gear with our new "norm" . How many brick and mortar shops will be decimated? How many manufacturers will cease to exist or not be what they once were in a very short time?
My fear is that this niche, hobby, passion and obsession will fade except for the very well to do.
Just a thought regarding our new norm.we all face now.
Happy Listening
Mark
markum01

Showing 50 responses by mahgister

david12
I am 69 year old and think the same... I am more lucky for health but who knows future and impact of this virus even on healthy people...I will perhaps die long before you then you dont know... Keep listening music and keep the spirit high for your children... My own intuition says to me that you will be ok…. And I wish you that also...

Hydroxychloroquine was used by Chinese doctors with successs to diminished very very greatly the case of deaths...
The food price will soar this year guess why? It is not the pandemics only it is the climate variability.... Australia know that....
The Mayo Clinic here is Minnesota is the best Hospital in the US .
They go so angry that made a test of their own in their labs in 3 weeks , It works .
WOW good news I like it....thanks...
heaudio123

thanks for the information and caution about the plastic to use...I post it for the fun to try and the possibility to be useful for domestic use.... My best to you...
With 3-d printing machine we can create mask totally safe with filter …. But we need many printing 3-d machine...This is the way to print one: the pattern is freely downloadable

https://cults3d.com/fr/mod%C3%A8le-3d/outil/covid-19-mask-easy-to-print-no-support-filter-required
I had the feeling that most people dont understand the new era we are entering...The health crisis, his duration, his consequences; and the economic crisis, his duration and his consequences...The global interaction mechanism between nations is broken not for some months but for years in his actual form....Globalization is finished in his past form.... Local imperatives reign for sure now.... How  will we create jobs tomorrow?  Not with audio products in a world without income...No buyers anymore...No customers for these years also.... Then we will reconstruct an industrial local economy.... Financial economy has no more future, real economy is the future....Trump wall street will go back in the limbo of history...


But before buying audio we must buy medical products for example...They will not comes cheaply from China anymore... 
I forget that absinthe was in the same family than Artemisia yes.... good evening... :)
Wormwood is another name for absinth plant, in the family of artemisia with many others....


I will keep mate, absinthe is too much medicine for me...But if i tought about it, I would taste it at least.... :)
One of the tragedy is the lost of health care personals....

It takes times to imagine what means the lost of 100 doctors in a country like Italy....


https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3079294/italy-loses-100th-doctor-coronavirus-pandemic

«Italy's medical community feels a sense of trauma.

At the time of writing this, 80 doctors and 21 nurses have lost their lives to COVID-19 since February.

In that time, two more nurses have taken their own lives.»

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italys-doctors-and-nurses-are-in-trauma-over-deaths-of-more-than-100-colleagues-11968928
 
I dont know which is the real numbers but this lost is very traumatising....For the normal patients of these doctors in particular....And for the country...
The greatest french specialist in the world, Raoult , advise to give it in the beginning only, after a positive test, not for those on tubes because it is too late for using this cure, not for preventive use at all for many reasons...But new-York health personal are so vulnerable now I understand why he use it like a protection...
Sure I never know that we can rent a specialised bed at all.... thanks for this information...

Knowing that someone can be helped by turning him in a certain position can help.... All people that suffers are not all in hospital.... And this position reveal something about the disease effect on people... That is why I post it....






It is not about buying beds...

«proning:
How do you prone a ventilated patient?
PROCEDURE
  1. assemble sufficient trained staff to coordinate positioning safely.
  2. provide padding and support for potential pressure areas (face, upper chest, pelvis, knees)
  3. turn patient prone.
  4. abdomen should hang between two pillows/ supports.
  5. duration varies among protocols (e.g. 6-16 hours a day for up to 10 days)»


I think that devotion is sometimes admirable human fact, but for a  devotion blinded to any other consideration I am not sure.... It is really tragic... 
I highly doubt you can rent such a bed. Hospital can.
I was using "we" in the general speaking manner ….Many are not in hospital some are without hospital beds and I think it is a simple knowledge interesting to communicate.... 

What is the epidemiological situation in military, I wonder ?
I think that In case of war the duty of any soldier is if it is asked by the war duty is to gives his life for his country.... But when we are not in a war, the duty of the country is to care for the health of the soldier...Your post remind me of the sad situation of the plane carrier captain....
So what’s the big plan to get back to something like normal. Donnie declares victory and everyone rushes out to the mall and ball games , music concerts, herd immunity? Anyone working on contact tracing, massive testing, surveillance tighter than the old Soviet Union?
I dont think that this will be so simple indeed , the idea of suddenly coming back as if it were possible that it was suddenly a past event tomorrow....

A fact that makes me think a lot is that this is a world event like nothing in the past...A geopolitical one also...
Rethinking the interdependencies of the world at different level of human life seems the task for humanity... I am sure that we will not be able to going on the same way after that....

If I want to be positive in this ingoing tragedy I hope that this complex set of events will make all of us think really about society, economy, earth eco system, and the tomorrow of our children....
Yes it is not a miraculous cure....It is the way to erase the number of death by pneumonia...It is verified by this second study....It is a cure because if the number of virus is much less in numbers the immune system takes the rest...

Dr Raoult say the same thing from the beginning, it is not a peddler but a world scientist with more papers published in epidemiology than even Dr. Fauci….
There is personalities war, and economical war between Macron and Dr. Levy his Chief medic. against Dr. Didier Raoult… And they go on a different road than the road suggested by Dr.Raoult …. He recommended intelligent confinement after universal testing and use of his Hydroxychloroquine for all positive verified case...He is probably the greatest epidemiologist in the world but is not on the decision head control why?

Macron and Levy ordered universal confinement et pushed for others medical remedies...They offer the Dr. Raoult chloroquine only to some limited groups for a testing study and only for almost tubed patients against Raoult strict recommendation(It is too late to use Chloroquine with tubed patient)… In January Dr. Buzyn ex health minister, and wife of Dr. Levy list officially the chloroquine in the list of dangerous substance, after open sale for all without any obligation of chloroquine in all medical office for the last 50 years.... Why ?

The good news is because of the public protest they give the right to any doctor to prescribe Chloroquine today...

Russia, inspired by Chinese scientists studies and Dr. Raoult choose today mefloquine, an antimalarial drug like chloroquine...

But never mind all that France will be in Italy situation in the next days...

another good news today :

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/10/21215494/coronavirus-plans-social-distancing-economy-recession-depression-unemployment
It doesn’t look doable with who we have in charge.
The US is a complex society, a federation of states, then it is not realist I think, when some states will improve to go to work without a coordinating plan of action between all the states...The virus can come back.... It is imperative to test at high scale, isolate the positive ,treat the patient, and going back to work with those who can...


There is many problems also linked to the corona virus that will impact the transmission chain at all level of the economy inside US and outside.... I think nothing will work for good without a planning of all actions of all states together and of all countries together.... Thinking otherwise is ingenuous and dangerous....
Djones I apologize for the use of the term,

I am Canadian and here confederation and federation has not the same exact contextual historical meaning.... My point was only to speak about coordination in a crisis...
I put that RotoProne (I cannot call it rotisserie bed forever, now when I know the name) out here just as an interesting detail.
It is interesting if I think about that....I am curious now to try one just in case.... :)

I have sometimes difficulty to sleep.... And knowing that perhaps this type of bed, for some people, even without any disease can help the respiratory system and the heart....Beds are one of the most important piece of furniture after all....

For example: I use an homemade inclined bed(6 inches) that help greatly my respiratory system, and act on inflammation...

The story at the origin of this inclined bed therapy is a tour to the British museum, when an engineer checking Egyptian beds, observed that they all are inclined 6 inches... He tried that and start a " fad" for some or an interesting experiment for some others and even a medical experiment with a doctor... I try it with success, because younger I read a lot about Egypt and the Egyptian seems anything but stupid......

Then you are right bed are very interesting, inclined or not....
If you ever try that bed, you will start appreciating sleeping while standing.
Probably :)


 I am curious about the effect bed can have on us, because of this effect of inclined bed on me....
You should try some yoga, mostly pranayama to help you sleep.
I cannot oppose that for sure.... Thanks....
It’s a long read but imagine how different things would have been if she were in charge: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/6/21207338/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-covid-19-recession-depression-presidency-trump
Cue the mad, slobbering dogs.
WOW i am impressed by the first 3 lines of this article...

«In January, Sen. Elizabeth Warren was the first presidential candidate to release a plan for combating coronavirus. In March, she released a second plan. Days later, with the scale of economic damage increasing, she released a third


I know that this candidate was intelligent, but it is amazing true politic work.... I was sorry when she quit the course....I now know why....


Reading all this article, I realise what the cost will be to have lost for the presidential course this political woman, and not only for Americans….It is almost weeping matter to think about that....
You are right and this swift diminution of the virus number in patient with the treatment (hydroxychloroquine+ azithromycin) is the reason why this treatment is so promising without being a total cure like a vaccine will be perhaps...The most important thing is to diminishing the pulmonary attack by the virus, and his contagiousness because of the total viral charge….Today Dr. Raoult report 701 treatment of patient released from his hospital with one death only after using this....Studies to come in weeks...
I was for Warren I though she was the most intelligent and interesting and I knew she didn’t have a chance for the reason you gave nonoise.
Brain, working power,courage and more, speaking articulately , a rare combination.... I am truly sorry for the US, for the world also....This woman it seems was the perfect choice at this time of American history to reunite the country and more reunite this country with the world.... This article-interview really impress me....

If I can make a bad joke, the only one that has the same balls was too vociferous to be elected... :)
2 of my young friends are doctors, and when they made their third year they are on the floor of an hospital most of the times and work insane hours....But I live in canada ….


I check and it is the same in US...

«As a 3rd-year medical student, you move into a different type of learning: you learn on your feet as opposed to being in a classroom. It’s a transition into the clinical environment full time. It’s a big change, but remember that you’re not alone. You’re going to have a team of resident physicians backing you.»


But I dont think this student has seen many people dying in his first 2 years...
The situation of workers in the subway system is dramatic.... And the subway is a virus infected zone... The precise point of the confinement is to close it for some time except for some workers that need it absolutely for collective duty and perhaps with obligatory masks for protection....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-mta-subway.html
Case studies also have shown that neurological damage related to mefloquine use has symptoms similar to PTSD.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/12/26/results-of-scientific-inquiry-into-malaria-drugs-used-by-us-troops-expected-in-march/


Big pharma trough the OMS or World Health organization banned the use of the malaria inoffensive plant Artemisia, and give instead mefloquine...A very french known singer, and hundred of soldiers in Us and canada suffers from that corporate power engineered drug, by killing themselves or others in some case with symptoms akin to PTSD...



When Max Planck institute make research on artemisia this is also meaningful medicinal research....
Raoult treat to date 1500 patients, he screen them for cardiac problem before, and then NO heart problem were observed...The Brazilian doctor use 80 patients, and not all had heart problems...And I dont know, and you dont know their screening protocol... Case closed … We wait ...


In Brazil they had Bolsonaro who is with Trump adoption of this drug, for Trump a salvation plank....This created ideological bias in the science community around the world.... This ideological debates are translated in different reaction that are not always objective one... 
Alas! the only forum on which I walk is here... The only internet friends I know are here.... For example we dont speak to each other, but I have read your posts...
I am not alone in that situation.... Who has time to invest in more than one forum?


Many people walk like robots or sleepwalkers... Too bad.... Yes cat and mouse...we can speak like adults nonoise...
I listen to music for relaxation.... I just put a new tweak that help my room greatly.... But I am not exactly be busy with audio now, i prefer trying to understand the world situation and partake that.... Certainly an audio thread is not about world situation but a one thread can be , for the sake of people that know each other on this site....

Impact on sales? Some suffer, some will buy, some will resell, and life goes on....But I miss this thread.... I even miss geoffkait… :) and his double glupson….:)

Where are my friends dispersed by the wind ?
There exist many threads to inhabit before being erased here.... :)

They will erase us perhaps because we dont speak only audio when the world crumble....

Customers are dying or hiding in caves and the thread is about impact on Hi-Fi sale... It is a thread in a Jerry Lewis film about end of the world... :)

I say that without being malicious, it is only a good thing to enjoy this hobby even now...But.... The world is larger than audio now....


It is a pleasure to learn loving the people here, especially those who dont think like us....We are sometimes a bit rude, but I dont encountered a bad character here really, not one, then...
I must approve.... And the discussion were relatively good, polite, without too much bad mouthing.... It was a great relief and source of information.... I dont want to criticize the moderators but it was a bit insensitive at this time of the world hour....My best to you inna...
A doctor describe the situation with great honesty....Shockingly honest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJzPZCEW4I


Hi-Fi sales will go lower than low in the months to come ... I just erase my smile after this video....

Everybody who want to listen the ringing bell of the truth about this epidemic effect on the health care system must see it...
I dont see any harm when people speak on ONE dedicated thread because they encountered each other here and know each other well here... Perhaps we must awake some hour of the day... I enjoy tweaks and audio…. But have you see the news around the world?

I loved all people here even those who dont think like me in politics like in audio.... We are adult able to be direct without being insulting...

The job of moderator is hard job, I am with them, but why not let friends who know each other a chance in One thread to partake their information, opinions, and news ?

My best to you ….
All were speaking their mind.... circonstances are what they are....The thread was more helping than insulting... For sure some posts were a bit offensive... Mine included....But we live in liberty land no?
I dont ask for excitement.... I am very sceptical like you are yourself.... we must wait for the results... But I read much about that and my expectation are filled with hope...If this dont work the crisis will be more scary...


listen to this video if you want the right description of the seriousness of the situation by a doctor in the field...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJzPZCEW4I


I will ask you my friend for details analysis and scrutiny never for excitement …. :)
This doctor combine many specialty and supervise 3 articles each week…. He discover more viruses than anybody.... even Dr. fauci is second to him.... Easy to verify.... Do you know researchgate?
The important point is we know each other already and we meet here.… Because of this hobby.... But asking us to be silent about our opinions and our situation in these times, it is not moderating...It is a bit abusive... We only ask for one thread and speak ourselves in one thread...My little finger say to me that in the next months audio will not be a great speaking priority even for us...Good night to you inna...
In times of trials who look complete stranger to talk with?

People who comes here know each other to some degree.... I wish you the best...

Some fresh news: 52 doctors and nurses of cuba went to help Italy....What an incredible turn of event....
uberwaltz
I understand you very well...
I will not use an audio thread for that.... a special new thread to keep the non audio conversation out of the other threads like was the thread that has been erased...


 I dont have the same opinion about things but I like all people...Millercarbon is a very good guy, even if his political choices are not mine.... His audio system is very beautiful ….People learn to know each other here....


 Good night  to you...
You are a great buddy glupson…. I never think something bad about you...Thanks for the news....I am sure that this drug will work but we must wait the mass using doctors all across America....And here in Quebec I hope....I really dont want to be intubated even in dreams...


The best bargain will be in the next 6 months when the illusion that all will be normal like nothing ever happened will be dissipated... People will sell their audio to eat... I am not interested myself to buy anything at all, even before this crisis... With my homemade tweaks my audio system is so good now,( yes geoffkait I know that I am at the base camp) that except for new tweaks it will be foolishness to replace any gear....Tweaking the 4 embeddings is the key... Ok going back to serious matter....I relaps in audio few seconds... :)
I listen to it and it inspire me confidence because what he said is what I deduce from all my analysis of all I read, but we are different children from different mothers …. :)

This Ole is one of the great chemist.... I dont know him before you mention it to me tough...Thanks...


Now I must go to sleep.... sleep well also glupson...
Good night glupson...

I dont sell this drug, and this will not be a miracle drug, only a drug that will help, at low cost to liberate the precious health care system... I have no doubt that this drug work because I read French where this drug was first use, the Chinese go after that reading Raoult and Raoult use the Chinese study for his own hospital after that... This doctor is I will repeat the foremost epidemiologist in the world... Verify by yourself... and I read about this drug each day for the last 6 weeks...There is not much hope except this drug in the view right now... Nobody can wait the next big-pharma creation...

I miss the thread dedicated to this quarantine also... They do more than regulate and moderate it seems they censor also.... But where can we go to communicate? We all know and learned to know each other here....I like everyone even those who dont think like me... I enjoy speaking my mind, sometimes with passion, but without hate...


With what will come near us in the year to come, to be in the spirit of the thread, I can say that hi-Fi sells will go lower than low... Not only there is an epidemic, but this is not a recession that will come, a depression is very possible now... Total transformation of the human race is asked for now.... Billions of humans are confined and dont gives a damn about audio....The reason why I speak here now is not my tweaks thread, even if I add something today on it, it is to speak with the people here, many of them I already know like you and geoffkait and millercarbon nonoise etc… I like all nevermind their political opinion....
:)

A genius is not measured by ordinary rules.... The mathematicians Euler And Cauchy wrote an enormous number of science articles and books...

Grothendieck wrote 200,000 pages in maths....The polymath Steiner wrote 360 books and founded organic agronomy, natural and homeopathic research, he was a genius in architecture, invented new form of art, teach medicine, create new pedagogical methods, etc he was a philosopher who commented for the first time the scientific output of Goethe in germany… He speaks 6000 conferences or course in all fields in the last 25 years of his life...


The great Tesla work so hard that he create on his own more than half of all the essential electrical world where we live...

There exist many other examples....Raoult is no ordinary doctor... Read his Wikipedia description....