How do you know when a stereo sounds good?


When do you know your system is pleasing to listen to? How do you conclusively prove to yourself that your system sounds good to you? How do you determine that you enjoy listening to music through your stereo? Do you have a suite of measurements that removes all shadow of a doubt that you are getting good sound, sound that you enjoy? Please share.

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So you're the one.  Move to the right.  The left lane is for passing not camping lost in the music. 

In what country? Here in America the left lane is for drones. The middle lane is for trucks. The right lane is for getting on and off. So what we do here, get on and swerve through the trucks to drive slow in the left lane. Then swerve through the trucks again to exit. We used to have signs posted Keep Right Except To Pass but no one did that and so being nice Americans we caved to the lowest common denominator.

Anyone heard a stereo system they thought sounded bad?

I have. First one was a guy who bought only used Stereophile Class A components. Never in my life saw a more prestigious looking system sound so bad. I don’t mean not good either. I mean bad. His wife when they came over one time snuck up to me and said, "I could listen to this all night!" She was shocked a high end system could actually sound good.

The next one was one of those guys who loves to rant about all cables being overpriced ripoffs and so he had a whole bench devoted to DIY cables. His stereo sounded so bad it actually gave me a headache. Couple times over the years he would buy something like a Tim DiParavincini preamp that was so good it made his system sound pretty good. Not all harsh and etched and analytical but actually like music. But he would "fix" that and the next time it would be headaches all over again.

The third one was mine only it took me a long time to figure it out. This was 1980’s with Kenwood integrated, JBL L7, Magnavox CDB650, lamp cord, patch cords, black freebie rubber power cords. Worse, the thin lamp cord that passed for power cords back then. Only after buying some nice Linaeum speakers and a McCormack DNA1 amp when I hooked the JBL up to sell them it was like an ice pick in my ears.

So people can get used to really bad sound, even convince themselves it is good. It happens. All these guys thought they had the bomb. Me too. For a while. Long, long ago....

It seems the core of arguments here and on all other audio groups revolve around what it is that constitutes good sound with people on one side who all but claim subjective observations of sound quality are meaningless. That people who believe stereos that sound good to them, do in fact sound good, are somehow delusional. Question, where are these staunch objectivists defending their position that what subjectively sounds good is not necessarily the most important criteria where sound quality is concerned?

Good question. Really good question. So far as I can see all the answers boil down to, "I know it when I hear it." A majority go even beyond that, "I know it when I feel it." They talk about being drawn in, losing track of time, etc. One even went so far as to say, "When I can listen to Adele." Talk about a high bar!

But, unless I missed it, not a single one said, "When it measures good."

Amazingly, no one said, "When the double-blind test confirms it sounds good."

Astoundingly, no one said, "Well on account of expectation bias I am never really sure of anything."

So kudos compliments and atto-boys on a clever discussion topic. Still, don’t judge, as Stilgar might say, hastily. The question is, "How do you know". So it could be you got the answers you did because this is those of us who know. Could it be people insist on measurements because they don’t know what sounds good?

In the beginning (1970's) I listened for tone. I was playing in band- not "a band", High School band, trumpets, French horn, flute, etc- and was listening for that sound. 

Later on, 90's, I was reading and had the usual audiophile checklist of sonic attributes to listen for, with of course my collection of reference recordings to evaluate the list.

Until one day auditioning a McCormack DNA amp I realized I had forgotten all about the list, and was instead just sitting there tapping my foot, big ol' grin on my face. Aha! 

From then on I listen for involvement. Ideally, catharsis. 

I know a system sounds good when I get caught up in the music, swept away, and lose track of everything else.