how big a speaker can you put in an 11 x 11 room?

OHM Micro Walsh Talls

You should keep the speakers as small as possible and add a sub later only if needed.

I use OHM 100s and Dynaudio monitors in two 12X12 rooms in my house.

The largely omni OHMS work best. They are small footprint full range floorstanders. Being largely omnidirectional, they tend to fill teh room with sound rather than blast it at you, which is of benefit in a small room. They are also less fussy about location for smooth response than box designs in a square room.

OHM Micro Walsh Talls have an even smaller footprint than the 100s and are recommended for nearfield listening conditions as you will have in a room that size.

They can be auditioned in-house for several months. You really have nothing to loose.

www.ohmspeakers.com for more info.

"A huge speaker in a room that size, and square besides would be a waste of money and time. "

No doubt.

"so i'm nuts to be looking at SAlon2s, CremonaMs and Reference 3A Grand Veenas?"

For a room that size, big speakers are overkill. Good big speakers will not sound any better than the many good smaller speakers mentioned here, properly set up, will cost more, and will likely not even sound as good.

Is that nuts? Its your call.

My floor standing omni OHMS, which have the better and more extended low end, in my 12X12 rooms do not have bass issues.

My Dynaudio monitors tend to be more sensitive in that area.

It seems to be less of an issue with the Walsh design from my experience.

The biggest speaker that I would consider that could work well, if you have 2 corners available for them, are Klipschorns.

I would love to try them in my 12X12 room. Someday I may.

No doubt I'd put a pair of OHM Micro Walsh Talls in there, build around that and be done. They are explicitly designed to go into small rooms in particular.

I use slightly larger OHM Walsh 2s with OHM Walsh 100 series 3 drivers in a 12X12 room. These work to the max in the room, but I suspect smaller and less expensive MWTs (or their shorter brothers, the Micro Walsh Shorts in some cases) would suffice.

I have a very vanilla 12X12X8 office/listening room. Concrete foundation with thin carpeting, drywall, typical office furnishings including couch to listen from (photo in my system posting).

Ive tried B&W floorstanders, Maggies, Triangle and Dynaudio monitors, and large and small OHM Walshes in that room.

The smaller full range OHMs currently there work best both in terms of sound quality and overall utility in a small/cramped room, followed by in descending order of fit Dynaudio or Triangle monitors, Maggies, B&W floorstanders (P6s)and lastly big OHMs (just too big for such a small room though they sound great).

No experience with the shorts but vertical position relative to the drivers does effect the tonality, so that would have to be a consideration. Plus, low end extension must be more limited with the short cabinet. MWTs would have all the advantages floor standing.

That would leave the shorts as more of a niche design perhaps for situations where floor space is just not available. You would probably also be more likely to add a sub, making the shorts more like a satellite design for full range sound.