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Its getting the time to get some hours on them!
Work is brutally busy with 70 hour work weeks away from home and then a mile long honeydew list when back at weekend.
Maybe put 8 hours on them last weekend if that, going to be some time before serious hours as we are busy from now till xmas. Oh well thats why I get paid the BIG bucks...lol.
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Jafant.
Unfortunately I am working away all week, something has to pay for this hobby ... Lol.
However as of Sat night with only maybe 2 hours on them I was not happy.
But there have been suggestions here I need to act on when I get home until then its Dell laptop speakers and Tidal for me this week! |
Well one change would kill two birds there then.
If i pull them more intogether say 7.5 to 8 feet apart that would give and unequal corner distance, easy change to try.
Tbh in my room I have not had ANY speakers in tighter together that the present 10ft, maybe I have been missing setup altogether for a while!
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As well documented over the years I have a terrible acoustic room which is one reason I had gone to the Lyngdorf 2170 for the room correction to help.
This it did but there were other factors I ended up not liking too much on that amp and now use an Ayre ax7e.
Room is 4 walls of glass and a tiled floor....lol. And in case you are wondering how? It is actually an extension that was built on back of house as a Florida/sun room,hence the sloped ceiling as house is 2 storey and 3 sides of glass windows and 1 side of double glass sliding doors back into main house.
Have three huge soft sofas in there, large shaggy rug covering most of floor and wood window blinds on all windows and this helped a lot on any configuration of system. Oh and a sloped ceiling raising up back towards where the equipment and speakers are. When I do move house I will have a better room but this is what I am dealing with right now.
Best position I have found for any speakers in here has always ended up being roughly the same.
Approx 10 feet apart, and 3 feet in from back wall and side wall. Toed in so if I am the dead center at approx 7.5 feet distance, then they would converge approx 3 feet behind me. By trial this has always given best results prior to the 936. The DeVore Gibbon sound REALLY good set up like this .
Working away all this week so will not get any time to play until next Sunday.
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Jafant.
I can see it being a long rocky road ahead.
I am not renowned for my patience ... Lol.
But yes I need give them time of course. |
Interesting.
My last pair of Focal Chorus 826v worked best with some serious toe in for my room. In fact since then nearly all speakers have sounded their best in here in roughly same position with same toe in. So that is how I plonked the 936 down.
Will have to play more with the toe in tomorrow. |
Mapman.
Early days on the Focals yet and yes there is a good reason the Triangles had bested much more expensive speakers in my system. They would probably do better with a tube amp though as always been very forward in presentation but not fatiguing if that makes sense.
Right now the DeVore Gibbon 8 are #1 of the 3 pairs here. They just do not do anything wrong or call attention to themselves in any area. Polite was one remark,I may just say they pass along the music without adding any further inflections.
But as I said very early days on the 936, they need more hours for sure. |
Well the 936 arrived and in system and definitely not quite what I was expecting, yet at least.
Kosst and any other actual owners, if you bought new how long break in did they need?
These are new so obviously not sounding their best but I have not found the speaker house sound to change drastically with break in.
Right now they sound very closed in, bass is loose, vocals and acoustic guitar a little wooly.
They look good though.... Lol.
Somebody give me words of hope here! |
Jafant
Its hard to wait, tracking says they should be here tomorrow!
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Thank you
I love the new album as it has a mix of older type material and some newer more catchy stuff, great to hear new stuff after so many years!
Saw APC about 2 years ago at Rockville.
Waiting for new Tool album now.
And rumoured to be working on a new Puscifer album too, guess his creative juices are now on full throttle!
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Never too late my friend
ProAc have been on the edge of my radar for a while but you have to cull the potential suspects at some time or another … lol.
We will see how the Focals fare once here and hopefully can step off the speaker merry go round for a while
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Stereo5.
Yes I know you did, lol, I read your thread here from back then when I researched the gibbon8!
I would agree they are very musical, best I can describe is they do not seem to add or subtract anything. Nothing shouts out like wow, hear this bass or treble etc.
They just get on with the job.
Polite is a decent description and maybe not ideal for rock but right now they are a refreshing change from the Triangles. They are excellent still imho but are definitely an acquired taste as they are very in your face and immediate if you understand.
Be interesting when the 936 show up.
3 way speaker battle! |
Well I could not resist and while waiting for the Focals I saw a pair of DeVore Gibbon 8 for sale at very fair price and bought them as I knew no matter what they could have a home in the second system.
But of course I had to hook them up in the main rig first....
Well first impression was nothing too special and could not really put my finger on it until I examined a little further.
The speaker s/n specify L and R and I had placed the L on my seated L position, this placed the tweeters to the outer edge of each speaker.
A quick Google check of a few images all showed them set up with tweeter in so L on speaker meant L from the amp forward.
Swapped them round, fiddled with toe in a little and tried again.
Whoa! It was like I had plonked down a totally different pair of speakers, now the muddled soundstage and presence was gone replaced with a great dynamic projection of the music without any one area calling attention to itself.
I sat and listened to a complete Joe B album then some Prince, then realized I should be doing work around the house...lol.
The Focals are going to have their work cut out when they arrive!
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Thanks Shadorne.
Now its that horrible waiting game for them to arrive! |
Thank you all for assistance in my questions and yes here is hoping they are all I need them to be too.
The wife is getting very good at helping me unpack hifi equipment...lol
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Thanks Kosst.
I have bit the bullet and bought a pair of 936 so fingers crossed! |
That's useful as my listening position is approx 10ft from each speaker. So the 948 may not even work to its best in my room.
Agreed 37 and 39Hz is going to be near impossible to hear the difference, you may just get a "feel" for a little more depth to bass but that's about it. |
I know with 8" woofers you would have thought a deeper quoted response than 37Hz.
But to put into perspective the low E string on bass guitar is 40hz approx so for rock music more than adequate.
Maybe not so much for classical or chamber music with deep pipe organs and the like. |
Not quite sure I have ever felt the urge to get out of bed in the middle of the night to listen to music....yet.
However I do get your sentiment.
So I have also a pair of 948 on the radar as well, these are fairly local( in same state at least) and would be able to drive and listen to them. Still a foreign environment and system but might get a better idea.
Not sure how much more bass the 948 would yield over the 936? |
The triangle Volante 260 had a retail of about 6500 so 2500 for a very good condition pair would be fair imho.
But I am still leaning towards the 936 atm.
My previous Focal Chorus 826v were really nice in my room and for the price was hard to beat. Well I decided to upgrade and I actually had a pair of aria 936 lined up from a dealer at 2600 shipped and I stupidly decided to buy a pair of Wilson Witt instead.
Not a mistake I will ever repeat. |
Another speaker I should consider as I like the Triangle house sound is one of their bigger brothers like the Volante.
Another option for sure. |
Stereo5
Fortunately the aria range does not have the BE tweeters, I think that would end up being too clinical especially with all my Nordost cabling.
The vr33 having a 10" woofer should knock bass out of the ballpark on paper at least.
Not sure if anybody in my area has them but worth a shot.
Looks like no love or knowledge for the Elac so far though.
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Thanks Corelli, a little at odds with Stereo5 impression but reinforces my belief that EVERY situation is different.
LoomisJohnson, I did try a sub but even 3 different subs gave me same annoying ground loop hum on phono that I could not eliminate.
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TBH, out of the 3 I had listed I favoured the Focal as have had 3 pairs of lesser Focals previously and there really was nothing to dislike about any of them at their given price points.
Also using Triangle speakers right now so I obviously like the sound of French speakers.... go figure!
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Thx Stereo5.
I guess it really does prove how much things can change given a different system and a different room.
Almost makes you think reading any of the professional reviews are a complete waste of time. |
Now you are talking a language I can understand!
Actually after your first post I did a quick search of 936 post in forum and came across one from yourself that alluded to you owning them.
Really good to know and thank you!
My only reservation was a couple of mentions of needing a fair dose of amp to adequately drive the bass. |
Kosst.
I have no idea what you are going to say tbh........
Enlighten us. |
