Do different streamers really sound different when using an external DAC
It sure can matter. Noise is the devil and computer vs. streamer, cable type vs others, wifi vs wired, software vs. software can all make a difference in the SQ. Not to mention UX, but that's 10 entirely different searches you should consider. A significant amount of content both here and at audiophilestyle cover this in great detail. Cheers, Spencer |
@alvinnir2, one thing to keep in mind when researching various streamers is that many (maybe most) aren't tied to one control app like the Blu and Aurelic, which both are known for pretty nice apps. Look for references to DLNA, UPnP and/or Open Home renderers in streamers. This will tell you that they're compatible with any control app of that type. For example, I used the Lumin app mostly. Linn Kazoo, 8player, Audionet and others can be used with many, many streamers. This more open nature was a deciding factor for me years ago when I chose my Sonore over an Aurelic. I didn't want to get tied in with software dependent on a relatively small company that's mainly a hardware manufacturer. Now that Aurelic's newer models are Roon Ready I'd be far less concerned, since Roon has >100K subscribers and agreements with a huge number of hardware manufacturers. With Roon doing the software, I enjoy a better experience and have a much higher level of confidence that my gear will soon be obsolete in that regard. Cheers, Spencer |
Unfortunately, all the variables mentioned do have an impact. IMHE, an improved streamer will make a bigger difference than just adding ethernet vs. wifi. One important part of that change is that most users of betters streamers will be more likely to use a high quality linear power supply on the streamer. Don't underestimate the value of the LPS! If wiring ethernet through your house isn't an option, powerline adapters that use the copper already routing electrical are a good interim option. Here's an example of the current model of one I used successfully. https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-AV600-Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B00AWRUICG?th=1 Mesh is simply a better WIFI methodology. It still sends wifi through the air and noise degradation is still an issue. I have Eero mesh wifi and it sounds nowhere near as good as wired ethernet (between router, Synology NAS and Sonicorbiter in one room and audio rig including ethernet to opticalRendu in the other room). I would sum up this thread in order of priority as:
While the Teac mentioned may be a great choice, I'd think of it similar to integrated amps vs. separate amp/pre. IMHO, I'd prefer separates in anticipation of future DAC upgrades, based on the frequent progress in DACs. YMMV. Cheers, Spencer |
@alvinnir2, "There is no question that a better external DAC improves on the internal DAC of the Node 2i. Seems like the streamer also is key but perhaps not as significant.YMMV!" I think you hit the nail on the head there. But IME, you don't need to spend a ton to get a better sounding streamer than the Node 2i. Have you read about the Sonore microRendu? It's very flexible and reliable, with regular firmware upgrades. One key aspect of the SQ with a streamer is the power supply. microRendu can be used with an inexpensive iFi that's great on a tight budget or something better when cost allows such as Uptone, Sbooster, Paul Hynes or Sonore's own. The 2part review by Chris Connaker does a great job explaining the pros & cons in detail. I've compared it alongside a number of listeners against many streamers that cost thousands and the microRendu always held its own or better. One caution, this all assumes you are streaming from a service or have your own library on a NAS. There's no internal storage, which while debatable for some, IMHO is an advantage, especially if you have a large library and are on a budget. Cheers, Spencer |
@blkwrxwgn I can’t explain it, and would say with Amazon, it can’t hurt to try and see. The same same concern crossed my mind. Maybe airborne RFI, EMI, etc are more detrimental than the noise they the copper electrical? A few on audiophilestyle reported good results, so I tried it until running ethernet was an option for me. If someone explains why it wouldn’t make sense, that’s fine. Cheers, Spencer |
@alvinnir2 Even an upgrade from Macmini to a modest Sonore microRendu w/LPS made a significant improvement in my pretty resolving system(Soundlabs, Krell amp, BAT preamp). Cheers, Spencer |
@alvinnir2 Great to hear that those powerline adapters worked out for you. Steve Gadd's drumming on Aja title track is one of my all time favs. Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers, Spencer |
