bbarlow thanks for your response. Interesting speakers.You are more than welcome to come to my place but I am willing to drive and meet other audiophiles who share my love of music. My main speakers are Martin Logan ,Summits and for a change of pace I ordered a pair of PSB T3's. Unfortunately, the high gloss cherry is on back order until March.I can get the black now but I am really tired of black gear. Larry W.