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VolleyGuy , abaudio.dk in Denmark means that the cu-VSF is much better than the alexander. But how do they compare to Mundorf Supreme Silver Gold Oil.. Would like to try them in my pre-amp ... Is the VSF a serious enought upgrade for the tweeter in your Klipsch , the Cast-cu cost $$$$ 2 times 2uf... /Best Michael |
VolleyGuy The Mundorf caps in pre-amps 0.1 uF was great s/o s/g s/g/o but as i wrote the V-CAP is way way better. I'm placing an order on the V-CAP cuTF for my pre-amp and my mono-blocks 6c33 in this week , heard that it should be even better than the TFTF. So within a couple of weeks the first impression would be possible. /Michael |
Hi Volleyguf , just want to know where is it located the 2.5 mh on the original crossover type AA. Just to be sure i change the correct one. Teflon takes time to break-in , yesterday listening to my friends pre-amp + monos also 6c33 , they now have 75+ hours and 130 hours on the preamp. A lot better now , but needs more time. |
Duelund Have your heard the V-Cap CuFT after a valid break-in time , properly 400+ hours. We are 3 different persons here in Denmark who are doing it right now , not 400+ hours yet. I would like to use your caps for my tannoy HPD-385a , but at the time i have saved up , your prices are properly raised again. Funny when i asked rabu-acoustics.dk they can not give me an exact price. What is the reason for that ??? |
HI Regismc , I am listening to a pair of 6c33 mono's right now. The have the V-CAP CUFT 0.022 uF in each and they are playing fantastic. Be Aware they need a lot of break-in time these monos has been playing with the caps for 168 hours right now. V-CAP has no problem with mixing with other caps, i have the Clarity MR in my tannoy speakers. If you won't go for Duelund , V-Cap because they are costly , try the Jensen Copper , Then are really good and does not cost a fortune. Which Values do you need ??? |
Hi Face. After have gone through the must of this excellent post i wonder if you are the person with this xover for tannoy hpd-385a. http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65991&page=2 If you are the lucky owner i would very must like, if it's possible , to use your diagram it looks nice. /Best Michael |
Volleyguy , i have read all of your post , and after these i have decided to go for the 1.5 uF cu Cast Duelund for my Tannoy HPD-385a , thanks for your effort. Yesterday i talked to a guy from abaudio.dk here in Denmark and he told me that there is a difference between DueLund Alexander and the VSF and is very significant. They are in stock here in Denmark , and after the burn-in on the Mundorf-Supreme silver-gold-oil in my Tanny , i would try them in my tube pre-amp. One of my very good friends has a pair of Klipsch laScala like yours and i have told him about your tweaks. So Please post some PICS of your modded x-overs it would be very interesting. Thanks for your great effort. /Best Michael |
Volleyguy , just to clear things out.. On the tweeter 2 CAST + 2 VSF would be FINE :-) The Klipsch La Scala guy would get a heart attach when i told him the price. Properly stupid in your world , have you tried 2 CAST + 2 Mundorf in the tweeter. The reason WHY at all , this would give him some GAIN in performance and then later on he could upgrade to VSF. When i got the pictures from your modified crossover , i will contact him immediately. /best Michael |
Hi Volleyguy I am waiting for a diagram from face , so i have to be a little patient before i can play with duelund cast. My Tannoys was much better in overall performance when i altered the 1.5 uF to the mundorf silver-gold-oil. Yes the Duelund is extremely expensive but properly worth the cost , and we'll contribute to the danish economy , which i am a part of :-) /best Michael |
hi Reynolds853 The Mundorf s/g/o i have used in my HPD-385a Tannoy is only replacing the 1.5uF in the signal path. I have just ordered a pair of claritycaps 4.7uF for the other caps in the signal path. Tannoys are a little laid back , so using the Mundorf does not tilt the sound to the too much high frequencies. I'm having only Tube Amps so my setup is not aggressive at all. /Michael |
Regismc , currently i have the mundorf silver/oil in my 6c33. My 6c33 will be upgraded within 2-3 weeks , so it then can use a 0.022 uF V-cap CuFt which has been burned in for 400+ in my crossover :-) I'm not in that way a V-cap Cuft fanboy , but they just works for us here in Denmark and we have used them in 5 different setup , mainly SSRP coupled Pre-Amps and mono 6c33 and Kt88/6550 tube amps. The change in the pre-amps was just amazing. My tube amp is develop and designed in Denmark and the guy who is building them is one of my good friend living 10 km from where i live. link to his website , but only in danish :-) http://www.audio-classic.dk/ |
Hi VolleyGuy Have you tried the VSF as decoupling Caps in some of your vintage Fisher Amps ?? I have heard from a company here in Denmark who have done a lots of upgrade on existent pre-amp. The said that a lot of people who have bought quite expensive tube pre-amps was shocked about the difference in sound quality. |
Hi VolleyGuy. Yesterday I replaced the 2.0 uF caps in my friends la Scale like yours. He's not on the same budget so i have choosed the ClarityCaps MR. After installing the CAPS the noice level from the orig caps was gone. He need to do a lot of burn in time but it was amazing. He asked me for doing the same for the 13UF , but according to you , it would require very expensive caps from for instance duelund. I think i had read that even VSF would not be a big upgrade. You have not tried any other PIO as for instance ampohm etc. /Best Michael |
Hi just finish evaluating the V-CAP TFTF in my tube pre-amp. This is the best sounding cap i have tried so far. I'm done with Mundorf. I have tried all their caps so far but the v-cap is way way better. I have the new cuTF on a order 0.1 uF in about a month form now. Need a little money that's why the delay. And hopefully a DUELUND cast 1.5 uF to my crossover , when they have the production up running again , but i can wait. |
Volleyguy we have had a listen session here where i live this evening. One of my friends is super critical and he was very impressed though he thought my mundorf s/g/o in my crossover was the real reason why my sound was tilted a little to the light. I have just order the V-cap cuTF for my pre-amp but for sure you will have them before me , but i'm convinced that they will make me very satisfied. My Idea is to have them in my preamp plus mono blocks and then a duelund in my crossover + a clarity caps for the cost reason. /michael |
I think my statement "way way better" was that the old V-CAP TFTF , just make me enjoy music a lot more than mundorf. I have not heard the duelund as you have , but i can live with this kind of "coolness" , but we need to check out the CuTF. I think you will have them before they reach denmark , i placed an order for 12 hours ago , but still need the final confirmation. I ordered them from partsconnection. |
Volleyguy i have got a pdf kind of confirmation mail from partsconnextion. Is it normal that they would send i after this email. Can not see any freight rate so i'm a little concerned , that it's on hold. I have send a mail to them but i haven't got an answer. Just curious , are you canadian partsconnextion i based in canada or do i miss something ??? Very interested in your review. How is it going with your pictures of your setup :-) Would like to see very much... /Michael |
Volleyguy i do not own a car ha ha ha. But i live about 210 km from DueLund. My parts from canada is on it's way to Denmark. USA right now. Canada buys from Denmark Dueland Stuff. Denmark buys from Canada V-Cap Stuff. If you have the pics out you are more than welcome to send then to my extra email - [email protected]. Look foreward to hear your opinion about v-caps... |
Volleyguy if you send me the pics to my email , i can put your pictures on my blog http://hifimaniac.blogspot.com/ . Just send them to [email protected] . /Michael |
Volleyguy , yesterday i have installed V-Cap CuFT in three pre-amps so now we are some persons who are "suffering" the breakin time. Honest to say , they are quite good from the first second. I was listening to my friends LaScala and after some smaller upgrades compared to yours , i think this speaker is way way underrated. He had suffered from the very high unpleasant top , caused by poor quality of caps , mainly in this tube-amps. But we need to go through the breakin time before we can say anymore. /Michael |
We have had a listening session , with a pair of upgraded tube amps with V-CAP cuFT. The pre-Amp had played for 70 hours and the MONO 6c33 blocks has been playing for 12 hours. As volleyguy has stated , these caps are fast , and they play bass with an author never heard before. Yes they need more break-in time but compared to ANY mundorf this is like reaching another level. I never get tired of listening it's like it just tell me. Play another record i would not disappoint you :-) |
Volleyguy i think you have mentioned Arthur Salvatore in one of your post i have read. I have upgraded my friend with the LaScala pre-amp with the V-CAP CuFT , and It was a huge improvement over his Mundorf s/g/o. The V-CAP CuFT is capable of playing bass with an intensity i have never heard before. Do not know about the DueLund VSF , but you might be the expert on these caps. I will have mine mono 6c33 SET upgraded and rebuild within 6 weeks so after a lot of break-in time i'll be ready to enjoy them later this year. |
Hi Volleyguy which inductor should i change , i got new 2.5 mH vax coil yesterday. Imagine this layout below as the Klipsch AA crossover. I - for inductor , C - for Caps Ia 2uF_C 2uF_C 13uF_C Ib [Input from Amp] Ic Taken from http://www.critesspeakers.com/crossover_repair_kits.html is it Ia , Ib or Ic , hope it gives a meaning. Best Michael |
Duelund I was talking to Kasper at rabu-acoustics.dk and asked him , If i wish to buy a pair of CAST-Duelund 1.5 uF would the listed prices be the right ones. And he could not say that for sure before he have checked up with "Duelund". But this raising prices nightmare was also in place for the inductors 2.5 mH for Jantzen so no panic at all. Im just accepting and comparing it to the gold prices , but still the gold prices can drop , for sure. Anyway have you heard the V-Cap CuFT caps ??? |
V-Cap CuFT update. Yesterday a friend of mine and I had a listening session to celebrate the +125 hours on this Teflon babies. I borrow his pre-amp +190 hours , and modified 6c33 monos +125 hour , and we started the show. We was playing om mine modified Tannoy's HPD-385a 303 Liters with Clarity Caps + jantzen polink coil. First thing too observe. These teflon has a dynamic level which impress me again and again. As yolleyguy has mentioned these could sound "thin" but they have improved a lot over the last weekend , so we just have to put more time into them. We was listening too a lot of different music but i will just list a few bands/artist which was extraordinary. Bob Marley - Survival , what a timing and what a dry bass. Chick Corea - Five Trios CD 5 , this drummer is playing like sitting just in front of me. I can recognize and feel the thickness of his drum sticks. Mahler symphonie no 1 - Just newbie to more advanced classical music but i was nearly dropping my coffee cup several times , under this inferno of dynamic ranges. I can hear the lowest level in the music very clear , without disturbing my concentration. Frank Zappa - Roxy & Elsewhere. On Penguin in Bondage there are some microphone feedback ringing under the intro it just sound so real. What a live recording and i had have it for 25 years -:) Sarah MclachLan - Duet with Emmylou Harris , Angel Live when they are singing together it is hard no too be emotional moved. Christ i could kill some from the audience. Cyndi Lauber - Memphis Blues , The Number Crossroad please check up on you microphone cyndi it's so noisy. Eva Cassidy - Songbird , fields of gold this number was a little too high frequency leaned before now it's just amazing. What a voice , sorry for her destiny. Cause it's on borrow amps , and my power amps 6c33 is not v-capped yet , the conclusion is yet they need more time. Even the warm in the music is starting to show up now. One thing about V-Cap they run fine with other brands of caps , that is for sure. Could be fun to have some Duelund in my crossover , still saving up. Will try to do one more review next weekend , then the power amps should be returned , almost crying. Thanks michael |
Hi Regismc Glad you tried the Alexander from Duelund , we're missing a review upon these caps. I and a couple of friends did a listening session with the guy who had build my amps. He was in total chock over what a different a 250+ hours V-CAP CuFT does to his amps. Currently he 'is using Mundorf s/g/o but he will immediately swift to Jensen PIO types. V-CAP he think would make his amps to pricey. And my lesson is , NEVER JUDGE a CAP before the ending of the break-in time , NEVER. |
Volleyguy , yes indeed this is a awful long time. My friends pre-amp should be about 330-350 hours by now. Hopefully next weekend we'll be able to check at 400 hours. My pre-amp is now at 220 hours , the 250+ hours set i was listening at was not mine.. The best thing is that still at 200+ hours it still is getting better.. What was the break-in time for your Duelunds ?? |
The wait is over.. 400+ hours on V-Cap CuFT in my pre-amp and they are amazing. There is absolute nothing "cold" in them , and the music , timing has really chocked me. I hear things in recording which for 3 month ago wasn't there. So to all who want to take their hifi experience to another level consider them as your best friend. |
Have tried the Jensen Copper Alu Case in a similar RIAA as I have and even after 75 hours the result was the same. Dull Dull and more Dull. This is a quality PIO and i am so disappointed. I know my ref is V-Cap CuFT but i have expected more from this cap. Properly i am not a PIO person , I don't know but this is not my cap. |
Hi VolleyGuy a good friend of mine , who have the exact same speakers like yours , the V-cap Cuft has burned for about 400+ hours in his pre-amp and the total result is just amazing. We have almost the same amps and after the long time on the V-cap i now know what kind of magic you are writing about when speaking about the La Scala. It's just amazing though he only have replaced the tweater caps with Clarity MR instead of the very very pricey Duelund. He always have some issues now he's just a very happy person. |
Hi Regismc , how big uF is the decoupling caps in your pre-amp ?? In mine where i'm using V-Cap CuFT 400+ hour they are only 0.1 uF , which gives me a quite fair price.. I still don't have the V-Caps in my mono 6c33 , but i'm very happy with my Clarity MR in my Tannoy HPD-385a. I can not live without the speed , details from the V-caps , and i have heard the Jensen Copper not Duelund. |
Jburidan regards your cary SLP-05 preamp , have you checked this link http://www.asi-tek.com/cary10.html. As i have understood , the price from the upgrade is mainly from the coupling caps. I would use the Clarity MR instead of the Mundorf Silver/Gold ASI has suggested. I think V-Cap would be way way to expensive :-) |
Hi Volleyguy. How is life with your v-cap cuFT. My Pre-Amp and 6C33 have both over 400+ hours and it's like magic. I never thought my Tannoys HPD-385A could play that deep bass. Of Course they are in 303 Liter of boxes measured inside , but anyway holy Christ. The midrange and highs is so smooth and special female voices are fantastic. I'm not thinking that much more on HI-FI , but i'm just happy with what i have done. I owe you a great deal of thanks , this thread is the one which really changed my view upon HIFI. A funny thing.. My HIFI Tube builder had make a new very very delicate pre-amp.. He called me and said that it would perform better than my older SSRP coupled amp. So he brought it to my home and BANG it could not compete with my V-CAPPED amp. He have used the mundoft silver-gold-oil. He just said to me.. You are right it need better caps. |
A funny thing with the V-Cap CuFT , is that is sound even better after i have it in all my electronics. My Danish tube builder friend , can not get the same sound stage when he only has capped his like mine 6c33 mono's. The synergy effect comes when you have modded through you whole line of amps. In my setup i now only have 4 sets of caps. DAC -> preAMP (1) -> PowerAMP (1) -> speakers(2) I have to add 2 sets when using my record player through the RIAA. SO my best guess would be keep the caps SMALL in uF and the signal path very short , which can open up the sound stage to another unbelievable level. |
Hi Jburidan , I can confirm the quality of the Clarity MR. For 3 weeks ago i removed my Mundorf s/g/o 1.5 uF from my Tannoy HPD-385a. The difference was huge. They are very very neutral and for me close to perfectly balanced. On the Eva Cassidy - Fields of Gold on her album Songbird , The Mundorf was tilting the treble so i nearly went into a state of insanity. I have V-CAPS CuFT in my pre-amps and mono 6c33 amps. Now i am so happy and even if this thread sometimes is a little off topic , It for sure "saved" my HIFI life. We are quite some people here in Denmark who have choosen the V-Caps and Clarity and i can said for sure all the persons i know would thanks volleyguy a lot for starting this thread for almost 4 years ago. |
Hi Volleyguy , My good friend who builds and sell tube amps are taking a lot about the Electrolytic Cap over the anode , and on my 6c33 amps this is 330 uF. Some one who has the same amp , are going to try some Black Gate so i'll get a comment in the near future. I once have another amp which uses the Jensen Photo Flash Caps. They are expensive but they changes everything i remember. Speed is close to everything :-) A little off topic , did you buy the oppo , you have talked about ??? |
Hi Again Yes there had been a little silence a while. A have dropped my squeezebox , and start to develop a better music program for my popcorn hour. This little box can do 24Bit/192Khz out like the oppo but cost under 200 $$$. Remember only the A-2xx and C-2xx would be able to be hacked properly. Even it sound a little of topic , i think that i does CD way better than the logitech , i have a larger soundstage and when i do 24Bit , it's like almost heaven. My Micro-Seiki RX-2000 record player are getting dusty :-) One of my friend has his RIAA under V-Cap upgrade and i would be able to have a pre listening session in January , and indeed we will try my Telefunken ECC803-S tubes. May you all have a merry christmas and enjoy with highend caps. |
Hi Again. First thing to take in consideration. The RIAA which is equipped with V-cap is better and a lot improved compared to the Clarity unit. The Clarity MR has now 6-7 Hours , The V-Capped has about 60 Hours. We are using a pair of Telefunken ECC803SS and they are properly some of the best ecc83 series tubes money can buy. I know that this is a little early to write about anything but it's a lot of fun to listen to the performance dying the burn in period. Both units sound very accurate , but the V-cap is a lot ahead at this early state but the Clarity isn't bad at all. I own the Clarity equipped RIAA and the Telefunkens , so i'll be able to post about Clarity , but just to be fair these to caps are absolute not in the same league. But for sure the Clarity MR , had make me dust of my Micro Seiki RX-2000 and i have started to enjoy analogue again. /Best Michael |
Hi Again... Have been away for a while , enjoying playing music. Even if i'm not in the Duelund / Jensen camp , I'm in the V-Cap and Clarity camp , it would be fine to know if some new Caps have shown up the past year , or these are still considered to be the best choice. Duelund CAST / VST. V-Cap CuFT Clarity MR Jensen ??? /Best Michael |
Hi... Away for a very long time. Just heard the best capacitor ever. This was a 2a3 SET direct coupled. Which of course does not use any caps at all. It was playing music, on a whole new level. The only drawback it's limited to 3.5Watt output. But I think with my 99DB speaker, I would match. I will have a listening session on my own speakers within the next 2 weeks, can't wait. /Michael |
