Bi amp pros out there I could use some help! First time Bi Amping...


Just picked up a BAT vk 200 for the bass and using my Pass Aleph 5 for the mids and tweets. Ive never played around with bi amping so I apologize in advance for any lame questions My speakers are Dunlavy SC3's original 5.5 nominal load. The pass is 90 wpc at 4 Ohm and the BAT is 200 wpc at 4 ohm so Im guessing around 75 wpc off the Pass Amp and 150 plus with the Bat Amp. My pre amp is a Aleph P and Im running the Single ended through a XLR adaptor (cause the Bat is Balanced inputs only) and the pass Aleph 5 off the XLR outputs of the pre and inputs of the Pass amp. The PASS Pre Amp manual says there is a 6db differential between the RCA and XLR outputs  two and both can be driven at the same time. So the RCA is 9db and the XLR is 15 db. Gain is within 2db on each amp. So whats the best way to do this? Get a custom XLR "Y" connector and drive both off the XLR output of the pre? Or is there a way better way to get the magic? This is past my "WORLD" Map and experience so Id thought Id ask for the smart people for advice. 

Thank you in advance!

-ALLGOOD
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If interconnects are shielded and kept to a reasonable length, I believe there are no "sonic" advantages for XLR over SE.
But there is a real "sonic advantage" for SE over "pseudo XLR" as as I mentioned before (about balanced op-amps in the signal path with "pseudo XLR").

Lampizators view on it.
http://www.lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/Balancedornot.html

Stereophiles 4 page article on it.
https://www.stereophile.com/features/335/index.html

Cheers George
As George said, fully discrete, no opamps or ic’s
Or coupling caps, "best coupling cap is no coupling cap"


Cute little bugger, but single-ended only.
Nothing wrong with that, no need for balanced unless your doing 10mt interconnects. And many source outputs and poweramp inputs have "pseudo" balanced anyway. They are just SE with a balanced opamp in the path for the xlr connection.
So the SE will actually sound better in these circumstances, as your not sending the signal via the xlr opamp with SE output/inputs

Cheers George

Thanks rodman99999 just another opamp based one though, I have tried a quite a few and in the end was disappointed, then spent the time and built my own discrete active 4th order xover @150hz just for the bass of my Monoliths, It’ just I’ve always wanted Nelson Pass’s B4 as it's discrete also.

Cheers George
Too much for for me, that equals out to $2200aud, my limit for any active xover is $500aud used

Cheers George
The thing is, to bi-amp using the internal speaker-level x/o is to not reap some of the major benefits of bi-amping:

I totally understand where your going, but it’s obvious or not in tune with what the OP is capable or wanting to do.
It’s his thread so lets keep it to his speed., he has a bruiser of an amp for the bass and a delicate amps for the mid and highs, and he simply needed to passively bi-amp them.

Cheers George
o do it correctly is much more involved than merely putting an external x/o and a second amp onto a pair of loudspeakers. The internal speaker-level x/o must be discarded, the outboard line-level x/o doing all the filtering.
The whole idea was simple, to vertical bi-amp using the speakers internal xover.
All the other talk now has just confused the s**t out of OP into now giving up, so sad.
He could have have a great sound with the KISS horizontal bi-amp setup with these two amps.
Cheers George
haywood310
Just picked up a BAT vk 200 for the bass and using my Pass Aleph 5 for the mids and tweets.

This should sound very good.

Because you have amps that are not identical, vertical bi-amping is out.
You’ll have to do horizontal bi-amping.
http://www.av2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/biamp1.jpg

And because there’s no way both amps will be equal in gain, you’ll have to put a passive volume control at the input of the loudest amp so you can lower it’s volume to be identical to the other amp.
https://www.schiit.com/products/sys
Then your main preamp volume control will be the master volume control for both amps that now have identical gains.


Cheers George