B&W design quality observation. Any downside


I just took the baffle off a pair of B&W Concept 90 CM1's from 1991. I wanted to tighten the woofer drivers to the baffle. I was surprised to find the spider for the woofer was cast in 1 piece with the front baffle! Certainly no tightening required.(It confirmed the B&W ethic of good quality to me. The rubberized/elastic seal between baffle and speaker was also in perfect condition. I was left to tighten the tweeters to the baffle and the baffle to the body-which made a very noticeable improvement to the clarity, dynamics and smoothness of the sound
I am impressed by this design; it seems sensible when technically feasible as it absolutely eliminates any chance of loosening from the baffle-which is the bane of ALL speakers where the drive units are affixed to the baffle.
I wonder why some of these so called "ultra high end speakers (Magico, Yg Acoustics) don't use this type of design.
Is there a downside I am not considering?
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OMG!!!! Bo the OP in NO way asked about the 2D- 3D that you use as an agenda to criticize B&W All OVER the forums. GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!!!!! He asked about the design of how the woofers are attached to the baffle.

If you do not have a comment that is directly related to the OP why do you insist on posting the same CRAP over and over to the point that it is nauseating. WE get it, YOU ONLY LIKE A SPEAKER THAT CAN GIVE A 3D SOUND STAGE WITH A HUGE DEPTH AND WIDTH. AND ACCORDING TO YOU B&W DOES NOT.

And because you and you alone know what is best because you worked all those years in the business.

Get over yourself. YOU JUST HAVE NEVER SET UP B&W PROPERLY IN ORDER TO GET A 3D STAGE THAT IS DEEP AND WIDE FROM THEM.

What a troll.
Audioquest4life, This has happened to me too with my 802D;
"In fact, many people who listen to my system comment how much it sounds like surround sound with equally impressive wide separation."

I used to have a pair of B&W 805 Sig for the rear surrounds. Well I turned them off and while playing a movie or music I would ask people how well can they hear the rear speakers? Then I would ask them to check them by putting their ear up to it. When they found out they were off the whole time it just blow their mind. They could not get over how IMMERSED AND 3D THE SOUND-STAGE WAS!DO YOU HEAR THAT BO!

I was at a dealer before I bought my 802D. They had a pair of 804 that I was demoing. I could not get over the 3D sound stage it was producing. I got up and walked around them and the room trying to see if they were using something else to make this happen.

So I say to Bo, OPINION IT IS NOT, BULLSHIT IT IS. Saying the moon is made out of green cheese is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. Saying the the sun revolves around the earth is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. Saying it is the crossovers is not an opinion, it is BULLSHIT. YOU have NO STUDY or PROOF of it.

And PLEASE do NOT site 'I heard them at audio shows" as PROOF. I have heard some of the best sounding equipment in the world sound HORRIBLE at shows and dealers.

Now do not misunderstand me. Some speakers do a better job of it then others. But NOT to the extent that Bo says of B&W, at least of the last several generations, maybe more.

You tout yourself as an authority and that is way I can not let you go unanswered. And because your opinion is not an opinion it is BULLSHIT.
Bo, B&W's 800 Series Line IS NOT MADE IN CHINA!! They do make others in China.

HOWEVER, and this is not just for Bo, WHERE AUDIO EQUIPMENT IS MADE HAS NO BEARING ON HOW WELL IT SOUNDS OR IS MADE.

Some of the BEST sounding Audio is coming from Poland, Italy, Eastern Europe, Taiwan, etc.

If you want or believe that your equipment should be made in the USA, well God Bless, but that does not mean the other Audio equipment made elsewhere is inferior.

Schubert, I agree, it is SYNERGY. Even the room can have a great impact. And MOST people DO NOT know how to properly set up speakers to give their best sound (Bo, you hear me calling your name) so they look to better cables, amps, etc. Meanwhile all they had to do is move the speaker into the right position and BOOM it all falls into place.
It is NOT easy getting your speakers in the best position.