Gee. . . thanks. to clear up something before it getts too far afield...
the note regarding speaker cables is ONLY where I derived the info as to what speaker is in use or may be in use... the cable guys expanding on that theme of possible speakers then provided some of their insights on First, Third, fourth order types of speakers. I, as some of you, did and do not see the correlation between cables and the type crossover being used in a given loudspeaker.
As with most of the audio realm, murkiness prevails. I agree that time and phase coherent speakers, although picky to setup IMO, provide a very coherent and larger sound field... or such is my limited experience.
The thrust of the thread was/is to delve into characteristics of given first, third, fourth order crossover designed loudspeakers. Both positive and negative traits. So thus far, I gather the higher the order of crossover, the strickter the field of operation. No wiggle room, or certainly less so, correct?
Also I've gleened no actual determination of a good, better, or best scenario exists soley on the basis of how low or high the order is in application & design. Correct?
My aim was/is to gain some more solid footing in finding which design, creates more fluidity, and natural a presentation, on average, and is not dependant upon a particular sort of amplification.... with the understanding an increase in sensitivity of loudspeaker is accomodating to those amps of lesser power capacity. The key, so far as I am concerned is not the available power, but the way it is handled. though I might be off track with my thinking here, I'm looking to find a design that is accomodating to music, more so than power or the lack of it. Personally, I'm sold on the notion of more power equals more control... and saying that I realize much of the sound is genrrated in the first 50 wpc. A good bit, if not all. Its impact however, imaging and sense of realism, for me, seems to come a bit further on up but then, Im no engineer.
I got the impression from speaking with certain manufacturers a discernable or audible difference is apparent between speakers with different order designs like a thumbprint so to speake. Im not so sure. B&Ws in general use a higher crossover, Monitor Audio, another English unit, uses no caps whatever for crossovers VSA, again a higher ordered crosss and the same with older Phase Technology three ways. Ive owned several of the B&W two way & three way units. The Gold 60s from Monitor Audio, three way and two way PTs, and now the 4JRs. the latter when set right does provide a striking field of sonic involvement. That being said, as with the BWs, I do notice specific spots where the music seems to end with some abruptness. Not a terrible thing, but one Id like very much to avoid on the next set of speakers I get. Hence, my curiosity.
I quit reading after the first 60 or so threads, or rather the PC quit reading to me maybe its got a high crossover as well.
Any further thoughts to clear up my ignorance in this regard, or add to another's enlightenment, are greatly appreciated.
the note regarding speaker cables is ONLY where I derived the info as to what speaker is in use or may be in use... the cable guys expanding on that theme of possible speakers then provided some of their insights on First, Third, fourth order types of speakers. I, as some of you, did and do not see the correlation between cables and the type crossover being used in a given loudspeaker.
As with most of the audio realm, murkiness prevails. I agree that time and phase coherent speakers, although picky to setup IMO, provide a very coherent and larger sound field... or such is my limited experience.
The thrust of the thread was/is to delve into characteristics of given first, third, fourth order crossover designed loudspeakers. Both positive and negative traits. So thus far, I gather the higher the order of crossover, the strickter the field of operation. No wiggle room, or certainly less so, correct?
Also I've gleened no actual determination of a good, better, or best scenario exists soley on the basis of how low or high the order is in application & design. Correct?
My aim was/is to gain some more solid footing in finding which design, creates more fluidity, and natural a presentation, on average, and is not dependant upon a particular sort of amplification.... with the understanding an increase in sensitivity of loudspeaker is accomodating to those amps of lesser power capacity. The key, so far as I am concerned is not the available power, but the way it is handled. though I might be off track with my thinking here, I'm looking to find a design that is accomodating to music, more so than power or the lack of it. Personally, I'm sold on the notion of more power equals more control... and saying that I realize much of the sound is genrrated in the first 50 wpc. A good bit, if not all. Its impact however, imaging and sense of realism, for me, seems to come a bit further on up but then, Im no engineer.
I got the impression from speaking with certain manufacturers a discernable or audible difference is apparent between speakers with different order designs like a thumbprint so to speake. Im not so sure. B&Ws in general use a higher crossover, Monitor Audio, another English unit, uses no caps whatever for crossovers VSA, again a higher ordered crosss and the same with older Phase Technology three ways. Ive owned several of the B&W two way & three way units. The Gold 60s from Monitor Audio, three way and two way PTs, and now the 4JRs. the latter when set right does provide a striking field of sonic involvement. That being said, as with the BWs, I do notice specific spots where the music seems to end with some abruptness. Not a terrible thing, but one Id like very much to avoid on the next set of speakers I get. Hence, my curiosity.
I quit reading after the first 60 or so threads, or rather the PC quit reading to me maybe its got a high crossover as well.
Any further thoughts to clear up my ignorance in this regard, or add to another's enlightenment, are greatly appreciated.