Are cable recommendations worth anything?


I am a Denafrips dac owner. I use the Denafrips Facebook site for the same reasons I use this site.

Discourse, basic information and hopefully some enlightenment.
Recently one of the contributors asked the default question of "Can you recommend RCA cable brands that match well with Denafrips from dac to amplifier?"

Am I the only person that is confused when someone asks an open-ended question like this about cables?The sheer variety of "highly recommended" cables, lends me to believe that the cables are much less important to the sound than the component itself. Recommendations ran the gamut from the Tellurium Q Black Diamond cables at $1,100 CDN per metre, to the Blue Jeans cables at about $50 CDN per metre.

How does that make sense and how can this possibly help the poor slob that asked the question?
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Showing 6 responses by cleeds

ahofer
... the scientific evidence covers audibility as well, with thousands of blind tests. And if you are confident, there are many opportunities to prove that you can hear a difference for money.
Please tell us who is conducting these blind tests, especially those offering prize money. Please also tell us the details of the blind tests you have conducted yourself.
ahofer
You’d have to be hiding under a rock or willfully avoiding them not to have seen them, after decades.
I understand completely. You’ve claimed "thousands of blind tests. And if you are confident, there are many opportunities to prove that you can hear a difference for money," but don’t provide any examples except one from a very suspect website where no such reward is offered.
It’s worth doing this for yourself.
That’s dubious, because conducting or participating in a scientifically valid blind test is a tedious, arduous task. I have participated in a few blind tests, though, and have found the results interesting, if sometimes unexpected.
... claims of "night and day" differences in the chain prior to the loudspeakers really don’t have an evidentiary leg to stand on.
The description of differences is purely subjective, so your claim doesn’t really make sense. Incidentally, the results of listening to something is itself "evidentiary." That you don’t care for that kind of evidence is another matter.
I see, you’re promoting a gambling scheme.and requiring I have "skin in the game." That’s a far cry from your hook:
... the scientific evidence covers audibility as well, with thousands of blind tests. And if you are confident, there are many opportunities to prove that you can hear a difference for money.
You're not the first to promote this type of wagering here on Audiogon. It's always a scam.
audio2design
I have participated in blind amplifier tests where there was no difference noted, statistically absolutely random, and I have participated where the differences were statistically significant, with some bordering on readily apparent.
Same here. I was also part of a preamp test and could easily distinguish between the two units. Units in both tests were matched for level and an ABX Comparator was used for switching.

I have found detecting cable differences to be more challenging. Those who might want to experiment for themselves might enjoy Michael Fremer’s "It’s Just Wire" experiment.
ahofer
Seems that the moderator has taken sides here and spuriously deleted multiple posts that contained no abuse, no profanity, and no personal attacks, unlike some of the responses.  They are facilitating the epistemic closure evident among some on this site. Shame on him/her, whoever they are.
I think the mods here do a great job.  Your posts weren't "spuriously deleted." The moderators deleted your posts because you were trying to hatch a scam, a financial hustle, the audiophile equivalent of Three-card Monte. I know you may have thought it was a clever approach, but it really wasn't and has been tried here many times before.  You'll have to find your marks somewhere else.

Beware the audio guru.
ahofer
... These things happen all the time and are quite legal. The double blind host gets compensated for his time. I pay him if I lose, but I ask that you do so if you can’t tell the difference. There is no DA on earth who would call it a scam.
You’re pursuing a scam.
Beware the audio guru.

No one serious about exploring valid double-blind tests would taint them by introducing elements of financial loss or gain. Remember, you want to avoid as many variables and outside influences as possible. That’s the whole point of doing a scientific test.
Nothing here has convinced me that you are anything but petrified to face reality on this point.
Still casting bait, eh? It’s best to give it a rest.