Are audiophiles still out of their minds?


I've been in this hobby for 30 years and owned many gears throughout the years, but never that many cables.  I know cables can make a difference in sound quality of your system, but never dramatic like changing speakers, amplifiers, or even more importantly room treatment. Yes, I've evaluated many vaunted cables at dealers and at home over the years, but never heard dramatic effect that I would plunk $5000 for a cable. The most I've ever spent was $2700 for pair of speaker cables, and I kinda regret it to this day.  So when I see cable manufacturers charging 5 figures for their latest and "greatest" speaker cables, PC, and ICs, I have to ask myself who buys this stuff. Why would you buy a $10k+ cable, when there are so many great speakers, amplifiers, DACs for that kind of money, or room treatment that would have greater effect on your systems sound?  May be I'm getting ornery with age, like the water boy says in Adam Sandler's movie.
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The new Kia owner vs. the new Bugatti owner.  Who is 'happier'?  And does it really matter, or make a difference?

It just amazes me that these threads go on for as long as they do, resolution-free except for the claims and counters.

Ah, well....carry on. *pfht* 
Yup, Crazy.  Guilty.  I'll charge myself, save y'all the trouble. *G*

Enjoy the pursuit of whatever you're pursuing.  Hope you get 'there', wherever that might be....and I'll do that, too. ;)
*LOL*  Drac, you got that straight...

I was just popping back in to respond to the 'Big Question', your #1 at the top of all this...

ABSOLUTELY STONE CRAZY.  Some more that others.  Personally, I just do what I want that amuses me, with a 'budget' that in relation to what I read here approaches zilch.  I'm building my own speakers (not the cabinets...the drivers...) because I can't afford the alternative and would rather 'roll my own' anyway.  Some guys build amps for much the same reason, so I feel in good company in that respect.  The challenge, the satisfaction of doing so.  If they aren't 'perfect', so f'n what.  I don't force anyone to listen to them.  But they do...(DIY Walsh Speakers, on YouTube)
Not an 'audiophile recording', to be sure.  Not a great camera...not a great 'space' to do so in...and recording an omni with a mono mic isn't going to Ever give anyone more of a clue other than 'they work'....

...but they do...and, if you were 'here', I'll bet I can make you blink and the jaw drop a tad.  I'd love to have a 'serious audiophile' come by for a listen.
They don't seem to exist in my local focal locus (west NC).  I've been contemplating inviting anyone from Moog to come by for a beer if I could borrow their ears for an hour for some semi-serious listening....

But that's just me ranting about my 'predilection', much like most of the above previous to this...just more air, heating the room...*G*

Oh, yeah...then there's the fact that I don't listen to that of 'my age group'.  No dead white Europeans on a mega-buck TT for this Medicared mortal.
How about deadmau5 for a break, ya'll?  Turn it up and dust off the woofs.
Good for the blood flow, I've heard...;)
jmcgrogan2...Yeah, it all resembles a 'bitch fest' of monumental proportions...nobody's ever happy, no resolutions, no exit strategy, no cures, whiner diners...*L*  I swear, sometimes it seems Mapman and moi' seem to be the only posters that are relatively happy with our current 'state of the state'.  He's apparently in possession of enough gear to require a good sized U-Haul to move, me because I ain't crazed enough to chase the receding numerals behind the decimal point to the light at the end of the tunnel which burned out last week...;)

The 'not so divine' comedy. *L*  I tune in for a chuckle, and play the devil's advocate.  I'd rather we'd all have a beer in some other situation and agree 'to each his own', but I suspect someone would spike mine with ground glass or something that would turn me into a wild animal that would have to be 'put down'....

We should all take up gardening, or knitting...something less intense...*L*;)
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From the same album: "Can blue men sing the whites?"  Apparently...
bdp24...*L*  Hey, I'm just happy that someone else shares my appreciation of the BDDDB's 'musical deviance'.  And just so no one gets cranky on us for going 'off topic' in this thread, well, Yes, some audiophiliacs are crazy in dimensions that don't encompass 'mere' equipment...;)

I have a love of hearing the talented types 'goofing off', 'sonic puns' if you will...the Bonzos, Zappa ("Flakes" is a favorite, having been born and raised in southern CA, I can attest to his take on some of the residents), P.D.Q. Bach, and lately Salut Salon (chamber music with a twist...check out the 'live' YouTube vid).  If you can't make fun of it and have fun with it, IMHO there's something seriously wrong with you. *L*

That kinda relates to my 'take' on our 'hobby'.  I thought we're supposed to be listening to the music and not focusing on How it's being reproduced.  There's so many 'steps' 'twixt the performer and our ears these days that total accuracy is a chimera.  If one desires perfection, go to the live performance or talk your way into the studio,  And the latter will shatter any presumptions you may have held about what you've beheld in your listening environment.  Studio 'enhancements' and the equipment used in recording (or for that matter, any 'live' concert) are SOP now....

Besides....I've read enough about wires.  When materials experts say that 100% oxygen-free copper is just fine and everything else is basically hype and hyperbole, I don't see a rational reason to disagree.  I can't hear dog whistles, but I know when I see one being blown that Something is occurring.  Same with speakers...I can't hear 20Khz.  If it's loud enough, I can sense it's 'there', much like 10hz in the opposite 'direction'.

IMHO, 'perfection' doesn't exist.  If one wants 'perfection', give it up, and become an entity of pure energy.  And I'll wager a five buck bet you'll not be happy There, either. *L*  I'd be pissed, personally.  Food, sex, beer, and all the other things we enjoy become impossible and pointless. ;)  And the 'music of the spheres' will likely sound like static and Really Tick You Off.

For the remainder of eternity.  Now, That sounds like Hell. *LOL*

But, if you've got the bucks, buy fancy cables, y'all. *shrug*  To each...
Watts...*applause*  Well and succinctly said...

Gentlemen, let's agree to disagree and return to whatever we ought to be doing, or would prefer to be doing.  The angels on the head of this pin will carry on or not without further attention.

Good night, and have a pleasant weekend. 
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Yup.

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(...pity this died....I was hoping beyond the fringe....)

Gold fuse?  "Entry level", in the opin of some.... ;)

@thyname ....of course we do...because some 'issues' just won't go away...

Differences between speakers tend to be obvious; equipment a bit more subtle....

But cables?   8g v. 22g on a speaker I'd grant...

It starts to creep into 'dog whistle' territory, figuratively and technically.

Electron flow is the stuff one would expect from CERN....🙄

@rodman99999 ...or moths, with a love/hate attraction to flames....😏

A subset of 'splinter groups'....always getting under ones' skin.

That last little bit, that you have to let grow out...lest you attack with an Xacto knife.

...and make it Worse....*sick L-ter*

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