Are audiophiles crazy?


Don't take offense to this post if you identify as an "audiophile." I would say I'm an audio enthusiast, but not an audiophile. 

To me, audiophiles are people who pride themselves in achieving the best possible sound quality. Terms like dynamics, punch, and smoothness are just the tip of the iceberg. The audiophile is usually interested in achieving subjectively better sound. How they go about chasing this is actually counter-intuitive. They go out and buy expensive speakers, flagship headphones, high-end amplifiers, and perhaps even real 20K-40K+  studio monitors. All the while, wanting to hear music the way it was recorded. But be forewarned - More accurate does not always mean "better sounding." 

When they play their favorite music, to their dismay, it doesn't sound good enough. So they drop 10 to 15 grand on cables - which shouldn't make an audible difference anyway. But that new cable made everything sound warm and mellow. Now they're kind of happy. At this point, the audiophile is an "expert" basically a Sound Engineer, but only in his own mind (imagination). Every few months, upgrades are made on the main system - even if that means not having enough money for [insert important family obligations here]. Some believe they have the best systems in the world and even brag about it. I have met folks like this and I'd rather not be around them...more money than sense.

No matter how much I have, I always try my best to be humble and polite when in the company of other people.

Skeptical, passionate, and curious, they go out of their way to experience all of the wonderful snake-oil that audio manufacturers have to offer. After many years, they still can't pinpoint what they want their systems to sound like. In other words, what would be an ideal Harman target response curve for all of the genres of music they listen to? It becomes an almost never-ending quest for perfection - which is unattainable in a subjective way. You can have a system that is 99% accurate for Pro audio work - But you can never have a perfect system that everyone you know will enjoy. Invite all of your friends and a few family members - let them listen to your best system and ask for honest opinions.

I find joy in knowing some of them will spend thousands of dollars on "upgrades" that won't matter. I laugh about it. And I suppose this is good for the economy - with the inflation on consumer goods always on the rise, it's nice to know we have a bunch of dedicated folks like audiophiles; who can part with their money so easily. They make great customers but terrible salespeople. Too many I've met in real life can't make convincing arguments to prove things they believe in.

Tell me about your experience with them, or if you were a hardcore audiophile. I have busted tons of myths in real life - let alone online forums...and eventually was praised for it. Again, I think this is a fantastic community; so I enjoy sharing my thoughts here on audiogon :)

Lastly, I have this quote to share - which I think sums up the struggle with audio reviews/impressions/viewpoints etc: 

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher

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Showing 8 responses by keegiam

***** My goal for every listening session is to try to recreate the illusion of live musicians in my space - I believe that makes me an audiophile. *****

Bingo!
**** Some people can hear a difference, while others cannot. ****

@realworldaudio

Excellent post.  I think it's a matter of interest.  Some people develop an interest in listening carefully to live music, the sounds of the instruments/voices and even the spatial aspects of the groupings.  Some of those people (a smaller subset?) develop an interest in listening carefully to recorded music via audio systems and strive to recreate the same characteristics at home.  People who aren't interested usually don't get it. 

One of my friends listens to my system and fully appreciates and enjoys the goal, but he isn't around high end audio enough to know there's a lot of room for improvement.  He wound up with a system that's good enough for him.  Another friend thinks I'm nuts, so when he visits we simply don't sit quietly and focus on sound quality.

I have also caused several folks to develop an interest - friends who wound up getting into the hobby, some much deeper than me.  After living with me for a year, one of them wound up buying Wadia and Krell within a few years.  Before we shared a house, he only had a cheap cassette player.  So the interest can be learned.
**** I cannot see spending  more then $10 k on system cables ****

Joy killer!  That borders on miserly.  ;-)
I'm not sure I've ever read 3 better posts in a row on Audiogon than those by realworldaudio, Mahgister and ausaudio.

***** but we are all born with very similar physiology *****

After getting addicted to "The Absolute Sound" in the 70s, I concluded that peoples' physiological hearing abilities shouldn't make much difference to their perception of the quality of reproduced music.  Regardless of any innate physiological deficiency or superiority, people hear recorded music pretty much the same way they do live music. 

Unless one experiences significant hearing loss (or improvement - ever had your ears cleaned by a doctor?) during their life, their hearing is all they know.  The technical quality of their auditory system shouldn't really affect their interest in enjoying hi-fi.  The goal of many audiophiles is to recreate the original sound of the performance in a realistic way, based on their individual hearing ability.

I may be wrong, but that's my 2 cents on hearing differences.
@cd318

It's not easy to get philosophical observations and views across in the written word, but you seem to be doing a great job. 

I get every word - just a couple thoughts.  (Honestly, we oldsters are lucky to have convenient forums to express ourselves. Connectivity has brought extreme positives and negatives.)  I'm relatively new to Audiogon, but I'm no longer concerned with posting etiquette - it's easy to skip posts.

The ugly stuff that went on 50-100 years ago can get minimized in the rear view mirror.  There was plenty of addiction, abuse, violence etc.  Lots of jazz fans here, so we're also amateur historians.

I couldn't agree more with the virtues of "The Greatest Generation" (I gave my folks a copy of Brokaw's book, which came back to me and now sits on a shelf 8 feet away.)  They were school kids during the Great Depression, and their first years of marriage brought WWII.  They instilled great values in their kids and, over time, the kids learned to do better on the negatives - such as views on race.

I'm not as old as you might infer - I was a late mistake.
@millercarbon

Which Nikon model did you buy?  Coupe?  Sedan?  Stick?  Automatic?

@cd318

You sound like a writer yourself.  Lots of truth and wisdom in that one.

Folks should take generalizations like Rockwell's with a grain of salt, but, unfortunately, many do the opposite.  We see it all the time in most arenas, not just audio.