The most potent stones in my stones grid is the shungite+copper tape on one side, I called that: "golden plate"...Shungite is not a crystal tough, but a carbon based minerals... Best placed on electrical panels, unused duplex plugs, interconnect, behind speakers is miraculous... More on my "virtual system" page and thread... |
Much less kind words but more appropriate one.... |
You are a gentleman MGeoffkait… Kind choice of words... |
No need for luck I dont sell anything, just communicates my experiments free of charge...But thanks for the luck anyway and I wish you the best... |
I know that you use crystals, but not with a batteries electrical connected cables grid design...Trust me it is on another level for the effects...Try that … By the way bags of crystals are, compared to precise stones coupling in a cabled grid with cabled batteries, a primitive design...And if you sell that one day remember where the idea come from...Lol |
I entered in another phase of my stones and crystals experiments in my audio grid system but also in the house electrical grid also,upstream then and also downstream relatively to my system...But I lifted my experiments on another level with batteries and cabling, the new design I invent is that I connected my stones and crystals in the audio room and on my gear by placing specific crystals and stones(more than a dozen varieties) in a passively battery connected loop cables grid of my own design ...
No active filtering with a costly power supply, no more active isolator from my computer,because of the trade-off noise that electronic components introduce in the system; I use only passive filtering with stones...The batteries connected by copper cables with the stones connected also with copper cables unites all the stones in a one system filtering device, batteries makes the stones and crystals more active without introducing any noise of their own... With this lowering of the noise floor the results are astounding: holographic imaging with natural musical timbre, atmospheric floating sound...It is the same audio gear before and after,but no more the same sound at all...
You can laugh if you want,but I had fun and I am proud of my designed room system,upgrading is for me no more urgency, and music now obliterate the sound in my headphones and in my speakers the same... |
I have experiment very much with crystals all this year like i described here in a preceding post ....I put them on each pieces of my gear, and each one complementing in effect some other one... experimenting is the key... But few people knows that cleaning and filtering the electro-magnetic field of the house where you audio system is embedded is very important.... Treating with stones and crystals THE MAIN ELECTRICAL PANEL and after that THE MAIN ELECTRICAL CABLE that go all along the exterior wall of my house was key experiment in lowering the basic noise floor of my house.... My system goes to reach his potential at last!
And at last 3 days ago by accident, and with an impulse to experiment, i put between my speakers under my desk one salt lamp, and bingo! The improvement in sound was incredible ....
A word of caution: my system is isolated completely against vibrations, electromagnetically isolated also with aluminium, and the electro-magnetic grid of my house is also cleaned, after all that, and only after all that, the effect of this salt lamp was indeed spectacular, on all counts....But i dont doubt that if you begin with a salt lamp the effect would be small or inaudible in a noisy system like most audio system are unbeknown to most people...
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my third advice: after these 2 experiments, now add 120 gram minimum of shungite peebles or a pyramid of this size, on top of your central electrical panel, this experience will inforce some change of bias, yes,and hearing the always more pleasing ,more silky sound perhaps will dissolve the prejudice and transform it in an informed bias...Try it and do not even thank me...Other experience are possible after that...And your bias ,same as mine now will wait for a theory to come....For now i have none... |
oups! yes King Salmon....i apologize, for sure my english is not first class... |
my second advice: Tape now some stones or crystals around the electrical cable that come from your central electrical panel....Better sound will come and this will reinforce perhaps what is only a bias, but you will go on with experiment to confirm or infirm this results +bias...Best regards |
My advice is: tape some stones(pink quartz or agate or some jasper etc) on the central electrical panel of your house, after that your first bias will change for a new bias, and time +experiment will infirm or confirm some of your bias...It is my experience and humble opinion, not"mumbo jumbo" for sure... Best regards to all |
How do you know in the first place that raindance affirmation is not the result of confirmation bias? And how do you decide yourself which of us ,Raindance and me are without bias? Are you King Salomon ?
My opinion is just that, my opinion, but here i described my experiment, and convey just that, my experience, but without any experimentation with stones and crystals, why someone would dare to pass judgment like "mumbo Jumbo" about someone else experience without trying before mouthing...For sure i have bias, it is the reason i experiment in the first place to confirm or infirm my bias...But bias without experience is only prejudice...Bias confirmed many times begin to ressemble to an informed opinion but only that, an informed opinion...A kind of educated bias...
I read my reply and perhaps i am a bit rude, i apologize if so...best regards |
By the way Raindance i already have a room treatment ... Are your medium capacity void suddenly about that?
And also Raindance is Sansui AU 7700 a decent gear? Mission cyrus 781 are they decent speakers? I will wait for your opinion...For sure... |
Raindance you are certainly a seer or a medium.... you know better than me and my hears what is effective or not in my system...Congratulations....
Geoff kait you have more experience than me with a possible explanations about crystals... I am no scientist , my remarks are only my uninformed opinions...Thanks for your reply.... |
I dont know the little bowl thread...
But my experiment with crystals comme from some boys, Geoff Kait, another one Walker, and finally after acoustic revive products, Jack Bybee, who claims that some crystals suspended on a wall can transform the soundstage of the speakers... I dont have this kind of money and cannot afford his product, then i decide to experiment with my own possibilities, the conclusion is , yes , some crystals can transform the acoustic of a room... In my case with my own very rough experimentation,there is some subtle but clearly there is an EFFECT, i use only some copper bowl plate (like Walker product) with fluorite crystals and shungite, the effect was there... I dont say that this experiment of mine equal Bybee more sophisticate product, or Walker products, i dont know and probably not, but at the end perhaps there is something there...I think so now...in conclusion crystals dont act only by damping effect...This is more complex phenomenon... |
i think the same on that, and my experiment confirm what you said...Thanks Geoffkait |
No later than today,i discover that agate works less well on top of my dac than ocean jasper and Kambaba jasper ? I dont think that only damping property of the crystal for mechanical vibrations can explain that...but i cannot contradict that if you say so.... I am not a scientist... |
I think that there is no explanation that i know of, and your argument are sound to me, but in my experience blutak does not act negatively in all cases,and by my experiment the effect of crystals is not explained by the concept of vibration control, it is more complex than that and i have no scientific possibility to understand that...All crystals act in a synergetic manner together, compensating their effects in a positive or negative way, and no crystals act the same exactly, ocean jasper is not red jasper, and kambaba jasper act more like ocean jasper , way better than red jasper in my system and they act very well indeed...But the possibility to detect these subtle changes depend of your particular system, antecedent modifications etc...
Walker ideas to use metal bowl on walls, with crystal at the center of the bowls works, i try it myself with my owns means,how do you explain that this transform the acoustic of a room ? by damping the mechanical vibrations ? i dont buy that... Best regards to you, i must say that i have read your past posts at another forum by the way and that inspire me to experiment a great deal thank you... |
Another remark, i speak of EMI,because i know that all piece of gear interact together, and with external fields also, by a means i cannot understand crystals and some stones modify that global field and this modify the acoustic field in the end...I cannot explain that and nobody i know of...Alas! |
I must add something tough, controlling vibrations and negative subsequent resonance seems to my ears very important, in all links there is some negative vibrations, and damping or cancelling them is vital, i use different materials with load, sorbothane,cork, bamboo plate, granite plate etc...the other important task was cancelling EMI with stones and crystals...I dont know any convincing explanation for that, but with stones and crystals that works... Best regards |
I had try many, but the most effective materials coupling implicate, pink quartz, tourmaline red green and black chunks, madagascar banded agate polished chunks varied in size, shungite ordinary peebles or elite,fluorite crystals,amethysts crystals or peebles, small lava beads, many other species also, but i speak now only of the most useful one and you must experiment one pieces at a time, because all rooms and all systems are different... I place them often with blutaks in ALL links, going from the electrical central panels first ,to the speakers and headphones, with all links in between treated one at a each time... Some placement are incredible, for example using some metal bowls on the walls at ear level with some crystals in their center to treat the radiating room....I dont have much money, i use low cost solutions... The final results kills my urge to change and buy,so-call upgraditis...I now know why people are not satisfied by their sometimes already good listening system, they lack something they cannot pin-point...My system is not the best, only a simple one with optimal results,with now first and foremost ethereal imaging,and naturalness of musical timbre... It takes me some years of reading here and there, buying very good vintage at small price,after that in the last months, crystals and stones maximalized all their potentials...I am in a small room in nearfield listening but the room treatment with low cost materials(different density foam panels and pieces) was very efficient and imperative, i improvise that one thing at a time with my hearing tools(ears) only...Crystals and stones after that transform the soundstage imaging of my headphones and speakers and of the room...I am no more envious of out of reach audiophile costly products, and i listen to my music...i wish you the best... |
Hello to all,
Yes i use stones and crytals in my system and room... In the beginning i have read about some people who sell that, Walker, Bybee, Geoff Kait, acoustic revive etc... I dont had money to buy that and i dont had initial trust or experience with crystals...It is like astrology, i dont had faith in that, like professional pseudo scientist, or like people who pay for their future,by the way because i am curious with no faith, nor negative faith neither positive one, i read approx. one hundred books about astrology occidental and indian one,in the last 40 years, to make my OWN opinion,but this is another story...Back to crystals and stones, i make the same study and experiment myself, and amazingly that works for me, i treat my room with that,and all my system with great benefits... It is not perfect, very rudimentary but it work on a unexpected level... I had try dozens of stones and crystals looking for the good one...I only say to people, inform yourself, experiment, dont buy anything to anyone before experimenting, for the last year that was great fun, and my one thousand dollars system all in all give me so great joys that i am no more envious of the ten thousand dollars system of others, mine is perhaps less efficient, but music when it is there is music, and i have it now at a relatively low cost, (Mission cyrus 181 speakers,beresford bushmaster dac, Sansui au-7700, with cheap room treatment of my own+stones and crystals implemented by me) ... Best regards to all...
postscriptum: By the way invoking science is in no way a good excuse to repudiate personal experimentation;and all scientific explanation by the sellers about the use of crystals and stones are probably bogus,but waiting a new sound scientific theory of acoustic before experimenting is ridiculous to say the least....
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