I have a pair of these sa12.3 speakers, they were hot (stolen) and the guy was selling them in a pair for about $250. It was on a highway in 1994 in the bed of some guys truck. We still have them to this day and they kick ass. So I don't know what you guys are talking about when you said they're garbage. They're 200 watts at 12 ohms and have such loud bass that our whole house shakes. We may have gotten a legit pair and they still play like new today. Although, the cover for the front of one speaker broke the 4 nubs off and now it just doesn't have a cover. The subs are still there and are made of Kevlar so I think the shady guy might have sold a demo pair that were made for show and selling to gullable buyers. They are a rare set and pretty much the only good pair in the United States. We also hooked up a marantz receiver ($1.5k) and they sound better than ever. Whatever though, it was a great deal anyways
