3D lifelike sound and impeccable measurements - mutually exclusive???


The more I investigate gear the more it seems that it’s easy to get organic involving sound with flesh and body and a 3D immersive soundstage with the right matching of components but it also seems like it necessitates choosing some components that don’t measure well/add colorations/even order harmonics etc My question is are there components (specifically amps/preamps and integrateds) are out there that combine great measurements and in your mind also have that organic immersive sound that really helps many of us get more emotionally involved in the music or are these qualities mutually exclusive? 
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Excuse me, but realworldaudio started with his conclusion, that there is nothing wrong with measurements. But his entire argument was nothing but showing all kinds of things wrong with measurements. Then after explaining exactly what is wrong with measurements he concludes that there is nothing wrong with measurements.

And, he calls himself a man of science? But wait, "in professional quality" whatever that means.

I know the state of education is so bad these days no one has been taught the first thing about science. But now even professional scientists haven’t a clue? We are doomed. Doomed, I say.
By your answer you are saying that you believe they are exclusive and you pick one or the other. 

No, not me. I already know measurements are irrelevant. It is nothing to do with me. It is nothing to do with being mutually exclusive. That is your game, not mine. What I said is not some word game. You are the one asking about "impeccable measurements" not me. I don't even know what "impeccable measurements" would be. 

Is 200 watts impeccable? What about 2? Is -85dB S/N impeccable? Or do we need to be -110dB? You throw "impeccable measurements" out there as if it's something anyone knows. Trust me, know one does! My guess is you yourself don't even know what your own "impeccable measurements" are. 

Point I am trying to make, what I am really saying, stop asking us and think it through for yourself. My questions are meant for you to answer for yourself:

Do you want what sounds good? Or what measures good?

No one can answer these questions but you. 
I don't understand the question. Do you want what sounds good? Or what measures good? Don't say both. Life is full of choices. Nobody gets everything they want. Nothing is ever perfect. So your choice. Which one do you want?