2000-2500 USD budget for an integrated amplifier. Do amplifiers sound the same? :)


Hey guys!

My first post here! Great community here!

I recently bought a pair of Klipsch Forte III and I’m thinking about upgrading my current budget amplifier Cambridge CXA60. My budget is around 2500 USD. I hope you guys can give me a few insights. Cheers!


Current setup:

  • Macbook Pro
  • Network streamer + DAC: Chord Mojo + Poly
  • Amplifier: Cambridge CXA60 (60 watt)
  • Speakers: Klipsch Forte III, 99db sensitivity
  • Subwoofer: Klipsch R-115SW
  • The room is pretty small: 4*6 meters (roughly 13*19 ft) but very well acoustically treated (I covered all the power corners with GIK acoustics bass Tritraps and Soffit + complete acoustic treatment on early reflection points

The Cambridge amp sounds nice with the Fortes but I feel like I’m missing out on something. I don’t know what "something" actually, since I haven’t paired the Fortes with anything yet but the Cambridge.

So the crucial question is: should I upgrade?

I’ve been considering integrated amps like the Rotel RA 1592 and the Peachtree nova300.

I know that it’s kind of an overkill to drive the Forte III with respectively 200 watts (Rotel) and 300 watts (Peachtree).

However knowing myself, I might upgrade the whole system (speakers included) in like 4-5 years or so. And it might be nice to have a capable high powered amp around (with lots of power headroom) so I won’t need to spend further capital again on a new amplifier in a few years.

On the other hand, I feel like I’m wasting quite a bit of money buying a powerful integrated amplifier right now. At the end of the day the Cambridge CXA60’s got 60 watt and it is more than sufficient to drive the Forte III.

This leads to another thing that’s bugging me… The sound quality of an amplifier! People like Ethan Wiener argue in a very convincing way that when compared evenly, the sonic differences between amplifiers operated below clipping are below the audible threshold of human hearing.

This guy summarized this view here:

https://jakekuyser.wordpress.com/2016/05/23/do-hi-fi-amplifiers-sound-alike/


Furthermore I’ll most probably have Sonarworks room digital EQ correction toggled on all the time to remove all the equipment unwanted colorations. These colorations might sound nice, but I’m more of a "I want to hear what the artist intended" type of a listener.

(((To me Sonarworks was an eye opener when I first used it to calibrate my Sennheiser HD800.

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2017/8/24/headphone-shootout-sennheiser-hd800-vs-hd800s

It made me think about the extreme amount of the self delusion nature in the audiophile community. Many audiophiles rave about the alleged flat response of the HD800 when there are indisputable peaks at 5,5kHz and 11kHz, plus very very weak bass. Without correction they’re almost annoying to me and they definitely do not deliver what the artist/sound engineers intended. However, these cans are very often just described as extremely revealing, clinical, unforgiving… which eventually led to the claim that the HD800 is picky regarding the amp…)))

Questions:

  1. So considering that I’ll most probably have Sonarworks room digital EQ correction toggled on all the time to remove all the equipment unwanted colorations, do you guys still think that I might be able to get a "better" sound by upgrading the Cambridge to a more powerful amp, like the the Rotel RA 1592 and the Peachtree nova300?
  2. Is it worth to spend 2000-2500 USD more for this? Or should I use this money for a better DAC or a network streamer?

Sorry guys for this long post!

Cheers,

Egoq


egoquaero
I've never seen or heard one, it seems a high quality choice with modern features you want.

Patented technology seems successful.

Perhaps the only expected sonic difference would be based on the decision to go with a very high damping factor, effecting bass.

Damping discussion here:

https://www.lbtechreviews.com/test/hi-fi/hegel-h190
Lovin' the "handmade" Belles Aria @$2100....Tube sound with Grunt! Beautiful.
Just to add my 2 cents, I would definitely audition tube integrated amps.  I have an old pair of Cornwalls in the basement as a secondary system and use a Sophia EL34 based integrated amp and while not "top drawer" the sound is very pleasing and the 28 watts a side can more than adequately drive them.

Not saying buy a Sophia but am saying that tubes and Klipsch provide more "magic"
I went thru 2 new h190's.  I never got the bass response to open up after several months of break in.  The dealer demo was wonderful.  However, the ones I received were problematic.  I sold for a large loss just to get rid of it.

No more Chinese.
Here is another option....well within your stated budget...from a company whose products get great reviews and great forum comments...with plenty of power to make the Fortes sing...and you have a full 30 days to try them out.

https://avahifi.com/collections/power-amplifiers/products/vision-set-120-power-amplifier

https://avahifi.com/collections/preamplifiers/products/vision-rb-preamplifier

or their tube version:  https://avahifi.com/collections/preamplifiers/products/transcendence-10-rb-preamplifier
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occ 7-9s worlds best copper , their latest #3 dielectric matrix actually closer to air then Teflon which was thought to be best 
platinum is their best but way to expensive lathe Eclipse 8 is 
their top copper a awg-9 but actually smaller then the 7 series under an inch due to compsilex 3 dielectric upgrade which dramatically lowers eddy current absorption meaning faster ,more accurate , a great very well balanced cable,and none better under $2k for a 2 m pair $1500 retail check out Galen carol audio ,great advise good pricing ,I use the Cardas clear reflection interconnects 
their clear reflection matching speaker cable excellent ,but $2500 retail too much for my present budget,the Wireworld Eclipse 8 very well balanced across the board 
and $1k cheaper blends in nice,and blends  with most any interconnects.
Highly recommended ,after over a months listening trials.

     Well from what I've read about the Hegels, I think he made an excellent choice.
     Egoq, I hope you like and enjoy it for many years.

Tim