Power Cords Snake Oil ??


Having been a long time audiophile living with countless high end compnents I have to wonder about the theory and practicality of high end power cords.

I have yet to hear the difference a power cord makes. Ive owned, synergistic, Shunyata, BMI and cardas. I in no way can detect any sonic signature or change. Give me a pair of interconnects and I imeadiately notice a difference somewhere in the sonic spectrum. Not the PC though. I have accomplished 4 blind tests with my friends. 3 out of the 4 they did not know their cord was replaced. All 4 were using a stock factory supplied cord. Each of the 4 tests were done on different components. Amp, CDP, Preamp & dac.

My electrical backround tells me that provided you supply the component with its required voltage bet 110vac or 220/240vac its happy. Now, change the incoming frequency from 60hz to say 53hz and watch how quickly your soundstage collapses.! This is often the case during the summer months when home air conditioners are in use and the utility company power output is taxed to the max. A really good power conditioner should however take care of the frequency fluctuations. But 110vac is still 110vac regardless of the conductor it passes through as long as its remains 110vac when it reaches the intended circuit. Does your 8k amp or preamp know the difference of the path the voltage took to reach it ? Many an audiophile will use a dedicated 20amp circut for their equipment.That is a good idea as voltage & frequency fluctuations will occur in the home circuit to to other loads on the main breaker panel but again, A power cord simply is the means of transporting the voltage from the wall to the component. IF there is a clean 110vac @ 60hz at the wall socket, no matter what the medium is to go from the socket to the component, it will still be 110vac @60hz.

Could somebody expand on this a bit more. I just dont understand it. ??
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Sugarbrie, Whats the point of your comment. Im simply asking(wondering) what contribution the pc gives the system and inquiring as to what different peoples real world experiences are and possibly somebody with some measurements to share. I still remain firm(IMHO) that the pc does little if anything to improve. Im buying them cause they look cool.In the mean time I'll still be searching for a pc that may offer a sonic improvement.

There is still 30 or so feet of garbage before my equipment sees the power. The average hi end pc is nothing more than a well made conductor. Some are shielded to ground, but that ground these cords are shielded to is chock full of noise. Its the same ground that the 59 cent outlet socket uses. Now of course there are actively shielded cords. That configuration I'd be willing to try and would not be surprised if it made a difference.

I enjoy reading the different approaches and ideas.

I'll qualify my post, as I am a former consumer, reviewer and now marketing and sales person for a company that manufacturers, among other things, power cords.

From within the audio/video trade industry and in professional audio, the "power cords are snake oil" issue is entirely moot. For any that have experiemented, ALL that I know, have purchased and continue to use and endorse some type of specialty power cords, whether in film studios, mastering labs, recording studios, trade-show or electronics design systems.

These professionals didn't purchase aftermarket power cords on a whim or because of a "buzz" or a media review. They purchased them after thorough testing within controlled environments, and within electronics systems that are among the most highly calibrated systems in the world.

Of course, consumers will have varying experiences because of the wide range of systems and contexts power cords are applied in. Forget power cords for a moment, as there are still some that believe most SS amps sound the same and that CD replay stops improving at the $1000 price point. These threads also pop up on the talk boards from time to time and they are equally, er, profound. There are different points of experience across the spectrum, and arguing individual experiences on-line is an extremely complex and non-productive pursuit-- imo.

Because power cords are largely available for personal testing with no cash outlay for anyone that wants to listen for themselves, that would seem the logical course for the curious. On-line argument is for those who will hold their untested beliefs and theory above all evidence and explanation, measurements, graphs etc. For them, the argument IS the point and the hobby, not what may or may not be true. If truth were the target, then these raging debates would be a lot more collegial and less polarized or pointed.

The technical reasons power cords can improve the sound or visual displays from systems of electronics have been explicated here and on AA countless times. 5 minutes spent serching will illuminate many legitimate reasons why power cords or conditioners have the capability to affect sound. I include conditioners because they often incorporate similar design impetus and material constituents as power cords. The big difference in many cases is that they are a "box" and specialty power cords are not. Capacitors and inductors can be put into power cords, and there are some companies that use these. Obviously, these products now have reactive elements in them that at the very least will have a strong and empirically well grounded "chance" to effect a noticeable change in the performance of the applied device.

The most obvious element in this non-issue is that by far the vast majority of consumers who have tried a decent variety of power cords know that some make a noticeable, repeatable difference in performance. For example, they know that a power cord using silver, or ribbon conductors will often "sound" very different from one that uses solid core or stranded copper.

The VAST majority of those that rail against the possibility of a power cord effecting a positive difference are those with NO experiential evidence to back up the claims they make. Jetmek above is the first person I've seen who rattled off some names of power cords and claimed to hear no difference, although there wasn't any specific context offered to butress his stated experience.

In this industry, I know from personal experience that the priciples of many electronics and speaker companies have experimented with a variety of power cords--extensively, and have chosen to use them in their reference, development and trade show systems. Why would any electronics company want anyone to think that their electronics could be improved by a power cord? Because they no them to work. These are all companies who arguably, make some of the most recognized and better designed electronics in our industry.

Audio Research
Balanced Audio Technology
Halcro
Classe'
Jeff Rowland Design
Pass Labs
ART Audio
SIM Audio
Edge Electronics
Musical Fidelity(US)
Wilson Audio
Verity

There are many, many others, but this short list will suffice to make the point.

What about pro-audio? The empiricists? Mastering engineers? Recording engineers, Record producers, recording studios, film studios? What motivates these people are results.

All of the following well know pro's and studios have chosen to use aftermarket power cords in their systems after extensive testing revealed obvious performance improvements, and repeatable results.

Sont Music (Mastering systems--Japan)
Philips (US Crest National Film studio and SACD production plant)
Memory Tech ($100 mil. Japanese CD/SACD corp)
Astoria Studio (Dave Gilmour's studio UK)
Doug Sax (Mastering engineer)
James Guthrie (Mastering engineer)
Rick Rubin (Record producer)

There are many more, but these electronics manufacturers, studios and engineers are invested solely in the bottom-line of achieving enhanced performance. They develop their testing and recording systems with products that let them hear/see what is going on within the recording, or the electronics/speaker design.

Aftermarket power cords will not work in all systems or for all people as contexts and individual differences vary so widely. That is why most companies and dealers offer trials so each person can determine the efficacy and value of a a specific PC design for themselves.

I see two hobbies evlolving on-line. One is the enthusiast high-end hobby where shared experience is the point of the thread. The other is the endless debate and argument hobby. I suggest leaving argument to the "pro's", and finding ones own experience to share with others.

Best,

Grant
Elizabeth, You're missing the point as well. While I say I cant detect any sonic improvement or difference, I have a BMI pc hooked up right now!

The question is: Is there theoretical evidence that supports the pc. Why should anyone hear a difference ?

At the end of the day its the music that matters. It's just a topic to ponder and maybe people can learn from it.
Nrchy, I (and I'm sure many others) had an experience similar to yours. Several years ago, I bought an amp (which shall remain nameless for this discussion) used from a local guy. I auditioned it at his house and was satisfied, but when I got it home I wasn't quite as happy after the first couple of weeks or so. I called him about it to see if he had any suggestions, and he told me that when I had auditioned it, he had been using an aftermarket PC (also to go nameless here) which he found indispensable for getting best sound from this particular amp. He wanted about 1/3 of the price I had paid for the amp for the PC (neither was very expensive), but was willing to let me take it home for an audition first before buying. Back then, I had no experience with aftermarket PC's (not to mention a much less revealing setup than I do today), and though I had read some positive opinions about them, I was quite skeptical about the whole concept, for the usual reasons (read: I had no actual listening experience with PC's). So I got this cord back home, and damned if he wasn't 100% correct ; going back to the stock cord seemed to make the amp only half as good as it could be. So I bought the cord and used that amp for the next two or so years, and to this day that was still the biggest difference I've heard in my system concerning power cords (of course, I also had no power conditioner back then as I have had since).*

Eldartford: I'm glad you corrected the post regarding line frequency variations - this is what I thought, but I also thought it better to let someone technically qualified question the assertion. But about your "one of the more ridiculous ideas in audio": I'll grant you that on the $2,000 figure (no cable of mine remotely approaches that price level, though I'm content to let the market figure this stuff out, and understand that a premium cord could be better in absolute terms than the ones I'm using). But if what you meant was merely the cord idea itself, at any price level, I've got to ask you: Have you ever comprehensively auditioned one at home?

*[As a footnote to that experience, a dealer I had bought from in the past, and who's electronics brand lineup included the manufacturer of that amp of mine, immediately poo-pooed the entire possibility out-of-hand when I told him about my test results, based solely on 'principle' from what I could tell. I never returned to his shop again - not because I was insulted, but because I decided he must either be closed-minded or just couldn't hear. I sympathized with him, and understood where he was coming from, but for a guy in his business I couldn't trust his judgement anymore.]