ZYX Universe, Dynavector XV-1s, vdH Colibri, ??


Last Sunday i finally took the time to compare three cartridges; my Dynavector XV-1s (.24mv output), a friends ZYX Universe (.24mv output) and my vdH Colibri (.85mv output) with the darTZeel preamp and phono stage in battery power.

Some background. in a post from my system thread i describe the path that brought me to be experimenting with various cartridges. that post also raves about listening to battery power with the darTZeel phono stage. i promised to compare the Dynavector and ZYX to the Colibri on battery power.

so that is what i did.

the darTZeel preamp has plenty of gain (62db in the phono stage and 20 db in the gain stage of the pre itself) so even with the relatively low output of the Dynavector and ZYX there are no gain issues at all, i only needed to go to about 2 o'clock on the volume attenuator for very high volume with the 95db efficient VR9 speakers. in battery mode the darTZeel phono stage is extremely quiet; so the normal advantage the Colibri has over other cartridges with lower gain is considerably reduced.

the darTZeel phono stage is set with 100ohm loading that seemed to work well with all the cartridges but is not ideal. i know that the Colibri likes about 400-500 ohms ideally; and from what i understand the Dynavector and ZYX both are ok (if not ideal) around 100 ohms.

the Dynavector is pretty new and only has maybe 30 hours on it; so it has not yet openned up completely. i am told the ZYX is fully broken in......and my Colibri is most definitly broken in.

i am very familiar with the setup parameters of the Colibri. i run it with the arm slightly down at the back, and track it at 1.45 grams as measured by my ALM-01 Winds Electronic Stylus Pressure Gauge. with the Rockport there is no anti-skate issues.

i ran the Dynavector XV-1s at 2.70 grams and slightly down in the rear of the arm.......and the ZYX Universe at 1.95 grams and the arm level.

i had played around previously with the Dynavector for my 30 hours and had had the Universe in the system for about a week prior to get it dialed in. so i had a reasonably good idea of setup on each cartridge.

the Rockport does make it easy to switch cartridges very quickly as all you need to do is change the counterweight to the proper one for the weight of that particular cartridge. then adjust the arm length for exact stylus position (there is a groove in the platter that you sight the stylus exactly inside for perfect position), rotate the arm for visual azimuth (i can get it very very close to perfect), and set your VTF. in practice about a 20 minute job if you already know the VTF you want.

so i was able to first listen to the Colibri, switch quickly to the Universe, listen again, then switch quickly to the XV-1s, and listen again.

before i get into what i heard on Sunday i want to describe my perceptions of how the Dynavector and ZYX compared when i the Universe first arrived from my friend. for reasons described in the previous post i had purchased the Dynavector as an alternative to my Colibri and it had been in my system for about 6 weeks. i had been using my Lamm LP2 Delux phono stage with the Placette passive RVC and Tenor 300 watt Hybrid monoblocks. i liked the Dynavector; compared to the Colibri it was less exciting, less on the edge, less vivid and immediate and less explosive......OTOH although it had a little color it was fairly neutral, always natural, very involving and had very good detail if not quite like the Colibri. more of my favorite music was enjoyable compared to the Colibri.

when i installed the ZYX Universe my first impression was of slightly less smoothness and naturalness compared to the Dynavector but more of the excitement of the Colibri. i played some of the Lps that had been on the edge with the Colibri and the ZYX was more natural and under control yet considerably more exciting than the Dynavector.

on the Lamm/Placette/Tenor my initial impressions were that these were simply two good cartridges that had different perspectives. as i listened more to the ZYX i could never really get fully involved into the music as i had felt with the Dynavector or especially the Colibri. why? i'm not exactly sure. it was like i wasn't hearing as far into the music as i liked. nothing was missing from the 'checklist' but i wasn't fulfilled.

the Lamm has 57.5 db of gain, has 400 ohm loading, and is extremely quiet. it has a very slight warmth, just to the dark side of neutral; but has a textural richness and refinement that i have not heard from any other phono stage (until dart battery power). it should be an ideal match for the ZYX.

so that was how it was before i tried battery power (as described in my previous post). i hope this makes sense up to this point.

now to the three cartridge comparison.

first the Colibri. the Colibri can be a 'train wreck'. it breaks all the rules. the barrel and canteliver are out of algnment with the cartridge 'body'......so setting asthimuth you ignore the body and just align the cateliver and stylus. i have owned 3 Colibris and they are all different yet all inconsistent. they can have any length canteliver a customer wants, gold windings, copper windings, wood bodies, polycarbonite bodies.......they have such little play in their suspensions that they can 'buzz' on certain edgy types of music. they are the Formula 1 cars of cartridges. the Colibri is so immediate, so explosive, yet so natural and so incisive that if all elsewhere is not about perfect.....you will know it and there will be a problem.

OTOH when all is right the Colibri is magnificent.

long story made short; with the battery powered dart phono stage in my system; the Dynavector and especially the ZYX are not nearly in the class of the Colibri. as the system improves, the lead of the Colibri gets larger.

i used tracks on 7 Lps for this comparison.

1.Muddy Waters 'Folk Singer', 'Good Morning School Girl', Classic reissue.

the Colibri here made the guitar plucks real and there. the whole musical sense was vivid and immediate. there was not a sense of the recording chain.....just some guys doing their thing. totally involving. each note dripped with reality. brilliant colors in the vocals and guitar overtones. ALIVE.

with the Universe it sounded great, nothing missing, satisfying. but; the guitar pluck was not as vivid, the colors were less vivid, there was overall a bit of haze that only compared to the Colibri was evidant. maybe no other cartridge would expose that issue. the decay of notes was reduced which reduced the overall involvement. sounded like a different pressing. NOT ALIVE.

on the Dynavector this was more different. less energy, less edge. transients were softened. smoother and warmer. very nice. a great sense of ease but too buttoned down for me. this track should boggie. excellent bloom and note decay.

2. The Royal Ballet, side one, Classic 33rpm reissue.

Colibri; spooky good. i don't want to stop. an 'oh my god' about every 30 seconds. i try to critically listen but it's hard.....i just want to close my eyes and forget about everything. about the best reproduced strings i have ever heard. such a sense of venue, the 'subway' and 'buses' outside seem real. where am i?

ZYX Universe; a different realm......reproduced music. very good.....but less of everything. very, very good. specifically, less separation of instruments, less delicacy
and less clarity. the effortlessness of the Colibri in sorting out the complex textures is missing.

Dynavector; not the detail or energy of the Colibri but very natural. slightly veiled but warm and inviting. not
wholey real but still much beauty. good flow and pulse of the music.

it's getting late; i will continue tomorrow morning or evening as time permits.

the Dynavector and ZYX are excellent cartridges that by themselves are rightly considered SOTA. just because i hear what i hear doesn't invalidate anyone else's perspectives.

so as not to attract too many flames i want to clearly state that i limit my comments to my specific system and setup choices. there are many varibles i have not or cannot address; arms, cartridge loading, breakin, taste, settleing in. i did not do the tiny tweaking of these cartridges that one does over time to dial them in just right. OTOH the differences that i heard are considerable and not subtle.

it just one guys opinion on one particular system on one particular day.

with that said; flame away.
mikelavigne
Hello sirspeedy,
Thanks for your reply. Innocuous is not the word I'd use to describe some of your posts, more exactly, your choice of wording and your use of parenthesis(the use of which -when not indicating a quote- is considered pejorative, sometimes even demeaning in German, not tongue in cheek).
I'm certain Larry has and will continue to invest time and effort into getting the best out of all of the components that make up his system, including the excellent Graham 2.2. You're stirring the pot after the main course has been served and some time will go by before the dessert is on the table.
I'm not (damn) paranoid, I'd just like to see everyone posting here, incl. myself, showing more respect towards the other participants(this subject has been covered at length, I believe...)
I don't consider you a 2.2 defender, just an enthusiastic owner, who was and is eager to share his findings so that others can get the best out of their arm(and that's what this forum should be about, right?).

Cheerio,

Frank
Frank,I am still amazed that you seem so distraught by my posting,of anything,for that matter.This must surely be an "ego" thing,as I made it my business NOT to mention ANY names.Besides,I'm merely a "hobbyist schlep",in reality.Why take any of this to this silly degree?

Besides,what have I stated(specifically in the posts,pertaining to my fun session,at Larry)that is meant to be "demeaning",and "disrespectful"?You have to be kidding me!Right?

How many times in these specific posts did I state my actual intentions(a "fun" read,hopefully)?Have you actually followed my real intent?You should be above this,and secure enough to laugh this,all off!I'm sort of surprised that you mention my apparent "disrespect"(again,NO names were intentionally stated),and that I appear to be "demeaning".I'm sorry to inform you that I havn't got a clue,as to German grammatical intent!!Sorry!

All I'm guilty of is HUMOROUSLY pushing a few buttons.I NEVER would have pushed any boundaries,I felt was disrespectful to Larry,and felt he was quite secure enough to deal with any scepticism on my part.Besides I LOVED his system,overall.Listening sessions,at my friends' homes are WAY more carnivorous than any post,I've ever made,and some of them really are "audio celebrity",yet not so thin skinned!I've learned from the best.Which doesn't make me "anything" other than a fortunate hobbyist,btw!

Also,last year,about this time,I believe I read what was truly a "disrespectful" post,but that's ancient history.If I have to walk on eggshells,with every post,and can't have some fun,I'll exclude myself from this forum,in a "N.Y. minute"!!

Please lighten up,and I do wish you the best,and believe all that has been stated about you,and your products!
RIAA eq. Do any of you guys consider this as in my Nagra plp you are able to add jumpers to engage and remove to disengage, never mind impedance setting, iam quite surprised in how my Airey 3 makes the cymbals sound much more real when the jumpers are engaged, obviously its not the low frequencies that are effected.
Dear sirspeedy,
You're right in assuming that I (only) seemed to be distraught. When I wrote the second post I had a smile on my face, knowing that you would likely overlook the positive comment(last sentence...) in it again and focus on your preconceptions. No problemo :-)
We are who we are and jumping over ones shadow requires altering the position of the lightsource while doing so, - not easy for anyone...

All the best,

Frank
Frank,I'm going to give you the high ground.OK?But,please spare me the lecture on my overlooking any compliments.I was completely(though still perplexed) aware of your total message,yet you are quite accomplished at the "little wordplay",which can easily come across as smug :-),and not always innocent!BTW-I always have a smile,when posting.What's with the "shadow and lightsource" bit,anyway?OK,I know you are a smart guy!Maybe I should enroll GMORRIS to speak for me.He's really got a vocabulary that could end this "sillyness"!!

In reality,I was CLEARLY "poking in fun"(and what's the big deal, anyway?)at the set-up person in the "7 man listening session",of some time ago.We all have been hearing about this comparative session for QUITE some time,with the Wheaton and your arm coming out on top.Yet it would have been "a good thing" for the 2.2 to have been maxed out,as I'm sure your arm was.So,as my pals "love" to give it to me in the ribs,often,I was innocently digging "whatever" person set up the Graham.This does not mean it MUST be changed because I mention this,as it is not my call,and I clearly don't carry your weight(especially as I am a competitive tennis player,where weight = slow to cover shots).

Yet though my intent was not to incite,and be humorous,your response to me must appear as somewhat less so,when you claim that you "knew I'd overlook the positive comment".I wonder if I should feel dissed!No matter:-)!It's all in good fun(really,I hope!)anyway.

BTW-though it may seem as though I'm a bit miffed,it's only the internet me.In reality I know you are a "good man",as it came from a "very good" mutual source.

I DO have utmost respect for you,and wish you the best.BTW- you do have a nice little way with "waxing poetic"."Dinners,and desserts.Shadows and light",whew!!Wish I could do that!Really.