Turntable Hum/Howl Issue (moved and reposted)


In hindsight I should have posted this in Analog not Misc.

Therefore here we go.

Original Posting:

Yesterday my system developed a hum when playing vinyl records. Not the standard 60 HZ hum or buzz but a sort of resonating hum or howl around 120 HZ. Nothing with the system has changed in years which makes this more difficult to troubleshoot. Yesterday I played a recent garage sale find record and around 45 or greater on the volume level the hum appeared. It will runaway unless I reduce the volume immediately. I can replicate the issue by resting the stylus on the record without spinning and tapping the turntable base and/or tapping the console that it sits on. Otherwise, dead quiet.

Set up is: VPI Classic 1 table with an Audio Technica OC9XSL Moving Coil Cartridge with 2 Grams Tracking Force. Preamp is a McIntosh C49 using built in Phono Preamp. A picture of the console it sits on should be in my System Profile. House is hardwood floor and built in the 1940’s. I have no idea where to start. I was thinking on moving to a Moving Magnet Cartridge. Perhaps less gain might help the problem.

My finds in the last 10 days:

I have been doing all the test with headphones to remove the speakers and floor vibrations out of the equation.

I rebooted the Mac Preamp as suggested. Boot methods used: Hard, Soft, holding power button on Etc.... Did not help. 

Plugged Turntable into a different power sources, other rooms as well. Nothing.

Cleaned all connections. Tried different RCA Cables, nothing. Changed to a new Moving Magnet Cart (thinking less amplitude than a MC would lessen the howl, plus rule out a defective cart), no difference at all.

Placed Sorbothane pads under the Tables feet. Nothing.

Thinking it might be the Mac Phono Section I used 2 different Preamps, same issue. I rang out cartridge wires from the cartridge to the Preamp ends of the RCA's. All less than 1 ohm and no shorts to ground or to any metal on the table. Inspected the Turntables RCA Junction Box, looks great.

At this point, any slight tapping on the plinth is just like ringing a howl type bell. If the speakers are connected, the howl turns into a runaway.

I'm not to sure what to do at this point short of a new Turntable. No idea on what might be a good replacement table. I have a feeling if I send the table or any part of it to be serviced they will not be able to replicate the issue. 

Out of desperation, I did order the HW 40 feet from VPI.

chippieboy

It’s a reach as you’ve tested with stationary record but clean the belt and platter. Lube the bearing. You could be introducing rumble from the platter into the cartridge or tonearm wiring. You sure there’s no changes to wi-fi or other electronic devices or appliances? No subsonic extraneous noise from machines?

I'm not sure where the Transistors are in the path. I do have a Scope but not sure where to measure.

I changed to a new Moving Magnet Cart (thinking less amplitude than a MC would lessen the howl, plus rule out a defective cart), no difference at all.

I'm not sure what is meant by: "Do you have access to a different phono stage? " Did try 2 other Preamps.

Power Supply is out of the equation since nothing on the Turntable is turned on. It's unplugged from any power source.

No electrical changes in the home. I live alone so I am sure of it.

I will clean and lube the platter next.

If the issue appears on headphones but is volume dependent then it is not acoustic feedback via TT. I would suspect something in the electronics chain, either the Mac pre-amp or the power amp.

Using headphones, that removes the power amp from the equation. I tried 3 different pre-amps headphones only. Same issue.

This is how the OP describes his problem: "Not the standard 60 HZ hum or buzz but a sort of resonating hum or howl around 120 HZ. Nothing with the system has changed in years which makes this more difficult to troubleshoot. Yesterday I played a recent garage sale find record and around 45 or greater on the volume level the hum appeared. It will runaway unless I reduce the volume immediately."

This sort of noise is not due to a grounding problem except and whereas a grounding problem can also induce oscillation.  Only oscillation or microphony appear as a "howl" that gets worse or "runaway", unless you reduce the volume. The fact that the intensity does abate when volume is turned down might be in favor of microphony, or not.  Anyway, this sort of problem can be solved by either dumb luck or by a professional who knows how to assess such issues.  Oscillations in particular are very difficult to nail down.