GEERFAB DBOB - IT'S NOT ABOUT "GOOD ENOUGH", IT'S ABOUT "A SUPERIOR OPPORTUNITY"


I have been living a life of SACD in recent months.  After finding an ultra-cheap Marantz SA 1 that was in need of TLC, I discovered how good SACD really is.  It offers an overall level of transparency, immediacy, and tonal "rightness" that hi-res downloads don't quite equal in my experience.  Then I found an Electrocompaniet EMP-1S worth the money, and I proclaimed it superior to the Marantz (which is entirely possible as the Marantz once cost $7500 and the Electrocompaniet $8300), but I did replace some capacitors in the Marantz that I thought may be tired from age.  After the changeout, it was confirmed to me that I was correct in my assumptions, and as these capacitors continue to break in, I might have to change my opinion on the Electrocompaniet vs Marantz outcome.  Time will tell.

What if you lack the technical skills to replace lasers, capacitors, or funds are limited?  What if you have a nice DAC with multiple inputs for your Hi-Res download/streaming/Rip system, and you want some simple way to play SACD AND hear it for what it can really do?  Geerfab DBOB.

I was skeptical.  So, you need a Blu-Ray player that can output DSD over HDMI, then you set your player accordingly, hook your player to the DBOB via HDMI, then use a coax digital cable (or Toslink) to go from the DBOB to the appropriate input of your DAC (which must be capable of decoding DSD64 via DOP).  The DBOB has an IEC jack so you can use your favorite power cord, and it also has an input for 12 VDC so you can power it with a battery or a super high-quality regulated 12VDC power supply.  I figured it would WORK, but I was skeptical about the sonic outcome.

OK.  So we're connected, and I get.....nothing.  I have 2 Sony Blu-Ray players that can play SACD and will supposedly output DSD via HDMI (when connected to SACD devices), and I never did get either one of them to output DSD.  I kept getting this message, "No audio will be played through HDMI".  (or something to that effect)  I think Sony players are so bound up with copy protection, it's a miracle they work at all.  I actually went on eBay and purchased a used but working OPPO BDP-93.  While they can fail like anything else, OPPO does have a well-deserved reputation for reliability.  In less than 2 minutes, I had that hooked up and working.  By the way, I SHOULD mention my DAC!  It's a Denafrips Venus 15th.  I also used my Denafrips Pontus II 12th.

As time has passed, things keep improving.  The OPPO is warming up, the cables are settling in, and the DBOB is breaking in.  Curiosity finally got the better of me; I had to try that 12VDC input!  I have a couple of power supplies that are the correct size for that, one I designed and built, the other is one of those ChiFi power supplies for sale on eBay and Aliexpress.  They run $100 or so plus shipping.  They come in nice cases with a faceplate, they accept IEC power cords, and speaking as an EE here, the design of these supplies truly is outstanding!  These are not "get you by" power supplies.  They are capable of being a final destination.  The parts alone would cost as much or more than the entire supply.  The designs are superior to many power supplies used in high-end audio gear.  So, I hooked one of these up.  My jaw dropped.  Never again will I hook the power cord directly to the DBOB.  Apparently, that feature is there to "get you by".  If you want a super low noise floor, holographic imaging, loads of detail, intense dynamics, hook up a ChiFi power supply.  Wow.

SO, WHERE IS IT AT NOW....SONICALLY SPEAKING?  For most of this, I used my older Denafrips Pontus II 12th DAC.  I sort of feel that the DBOB is meant to provide the buyer with the benefits of SACD without having to part with a kidney to get the job done.  Obviously, you need more than just a DBOB, you need an SACD-capable Blu-Ray player that based on my experience is hopefully not a Sony, and you need a DAC.  More than likely, you have the DAC for your Hi-Res playback system that uses either USB or I2S inputs.  Many have additional inputs that are 75 ohm coaxial.  After DAYS of settling in and breaking in, I can honestly say the sonic results are WAY closer to my Marantz SA 1 and Electrocompaniet EMP-1S SACD/CD players than I figured they ever would be, or could be.  Black backgrounds, ambience everywhere, a deep and wide soundstage, focused imaging, and excellent timbre are all hallmarks of truly excellent SACD sound.  My OPPO, DBOB, and Denafrips Pontus II 12th provide them!  I even get more of everything with my Denafrips Venus 15th.  This is serious sound quality.  The sound is not quite as "full", or in other words, the upper bass - lower midrange regions are a bit cooler than the Marantz and Electrocompaniet, but both of those players are known for being kind of....warm.  Also, the DBOB is not broken in completely, I am convinced of that.  

The DBOB also allows for DAD 24/96 discs to be played, and Blu-Ray Audio without dropping it down to 24/48.  I tried my Classic Records DAD discs, and they sounded fabulous!  I own 1 Blu-Ray Audio disc.  Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon. (I only have like a thousand different versions of this by now) Dark Side was incredible, with the DBOB doing its job very well.  I DID have questions about redbook CD.  How would that fare in all of this?  Will the DBOB harm it?  Short answer, no.  In fact, DBOB seems to make it sound better than it does when connected directly to the DAC.  It must have something to do with the reclocking inside the DBOB.  I have no measurements to prove it, but it was like a "reduced jitter" impact.  Redbook was FULLY in the same league as the Marantz SA 1 and Electrocompaniet EMP-1S when they play redbook.  In other words, you may have never heard your CD's sound this good before.

I think the DBOB is a bargain.  I have read 2 reviews on it, one in TAS and one in Stereophile, and they didn't seem super impressed by it.  Comments like "I think I may have heard some improvement to SACD connected to my DAC with the DBOB compared to playing the SACD directly out of the OPPO", stuff like that.  You "think"???  Either 1) Their Golden Ears are actually Tin Ears.  or  2) Their systems aren't as good as I thought they were.  or   3)  There is an agenda.  A new way to play Hi-Res physical media has arrived, and it's going to save the customer thousands of dollars over buying a dedicated player.  What about our advertisers?????  My expenditure, which could be your expenditure, was as follows, and please note, I achieved the sonic results I did with cables that are NOT all that and a bag of chips!

DBOB:  $799 (I got mine on sale for $649)

USED OPPO BDP-93:  $270 shipped

USED AQ CINNAMON HDMI CABLE:  $48

USED AQ CINNAMON SPDIF CABLE:  $42

CHI-FI POWER SUPPLY EBAY:  $139 shipped

I already had the DAC - sonic results are being judged with the Denafrips Pontus II 12th DAC to be "realistic", affordable, or whatever you wish to call it.

TOTAL EXPENDITURE TO PLAY SACD, BLU-RAY AUDIO, DAD, and KILLER REDBOOK AT A SERIOUSLY HIGH-END LEVEL:   $1009

OK, not chicken feed, but I still have another SACD player that was brought in for comparison.  The above combination was superior in every way to the other player.  This player was a $3500 player.  I'd rather not get into WHAT it was, as I don't want hard feelings.  I simply quit using it because it spent more time in the shop than the Jaguar I owned years ago.

Physical media, in the form of SACD, when played back on a really good setup, is extraordinary.  If you have a Universal Oppo, a Marantz 8004, any one of several non-ES or lower-end ES players, or a player similar to these, you have not heard SACD doing what it can really do.  

The DBOB does make this possible, provided you have the transport, DAC, and outboard power supply for it.  It really makes me wonder what I'm doing with all of these SACD players sitting around!  

In the end, when everything shakes out, I will likely sell 2 of my 3 SACD players.  I will keep one, either the Marantz SA 1 or the Electrocompaniet.  I will also be keeping the DBOB.  It is an interface that guarantees that my passion for SACD will be covered well into the future.  Overall, my little assembled combination of stuff that's connected to my DAC, in conjunction with my DAC, unquestionably offers performance levels rivaling SACD-CD players of at least $5K.  I am not afraid to say it, and I stand by it.  I am, after all, the fool here by admitting that.  I'm the one that's spent countless hours on the internet looking for SACD players that are true High-End devices, in need of service, so I can save all kinds of money.  I'm the one that's been at my bench for hours on end replacing laser assemblies and tracking down bad transistors and swapping out aged electrolytic caps.  None of that was needed, but it was that which got me here.

 

hifi1967

@devinplombier 

Thanks for finding that article.  It explains (to me, at least) the mystery of why North Americans make such a meal of SACD.  It is down to copyright protection applied when HDMI is not used!

I have been advocating, ad nauseum, the benefits of using HDMI for high resolution formats, including multi-channel DSD, multi-channel high-resolution PCM and Dolby Atmos.

I have never had a copyright problem hooking Panasonic, Reavon or Sony universal disk transports to Marantz receivers or pre-processors using HDMI.

My cheapest solution uses a Sony UBP-X700 transport which only costs a couple of hundred US bucks.  It plays CD, SACD, Blu-ray, DVD and Ultra Blu-ray disks and has two HDMI outputs, one dedicated to audio.  It even includes one HDMI cable, and can take 12-Volts DC input.

All formats are output natively over HDMI.

My main system uses a Marantz 8802A audio visual pre-processor which has eight superb AKM dacs, handling 16 channels.  I currently hook up to 9 of them.  Lesser Marantz receivers also let the sound from HDMI out without problems!

Note 1:  Panasonic ’universal’ disk players do not support SACD (Japanese company rivalry)

Note 2:  The Reavon UBR X-200 player has two Burr-Brown dacs, one for 2-channel and one for multi-channel.  In neither case is DSD processed natively, instead being reduced to CD quality with obvious degradation.  However, DSD is natively output over HDMI

Note 3:  SACD is natively a multi-channel format, which also supports 2-channels. In my opinion, going multi-channel is an obvious way to dramatically improve sound quality

Note 4:  You need an SACD player or transport to play SACDs, or a universal disk player that explicitly supports SACD.  Just Blu-ray will not do

 

 

I have been working more and more with the DBOB with my OPPO BDP-93 and exclusively using my Denafrips Venus 15th DAC, which admittedly, is not cheap, but it's the DAC I use.  I have "retired" my Denafrips Pontus II 12th, although it is a really nice DAC.  For other SACD players, I have a nicely refurbished Marantz SA 1 and an Electrocompaniet EMP-1S.  Both of them are capable of outstanding sound, making my high-res download collection/system and my analog rig break into a sweat.  That's saying a lot, considering that my analog system is close to $18K.

Regarding the DBOB, I have found that using a high-quality, regulated linear 12 VDC power supply should be mandatory.  The sonic improvement is very real and very rewarding.  I have tried both a ChiFi supply, as they have on AliExpress and eBay, for roughly $100 - $150.  They often specify they are for audio.  A friend does have an Sbooster BOTW P&P ECO MKII Power Supply, which is $479 from Upscale Audio.  Honestly, it does not offer the sonic benefits of the ChiFi supply.  It is better than using the 120VAC hookup, but the inexpensive Chinese-made supply sounds best.  As an EE, I have evaluated the design of these Chinese-made power supplies.  The designs are impeccable!  The noise levels are extremely low with superbly smooth power delivery.  I could build my own, but I can't even buy the parts for the price of the entire completed unit!  The fact that China has somewhere around 11 unemployed Electrical Engineers for every 1 Electrical Engineer in America does seem to be of benefit to the audio crowd.

Once connected, every parameter of music reproduction improves.  It's not subtle.  Another thing I tried is an upgrade for my OPPO BDP-93 in the form of a regulated linear power supply that I purchased on eBay, again from China.  The sonic improvements were solid.    Regarding the Chinese-made DBOB-like device, I have one of those!  Sonically, it does not at all compare to the DBOB.  The unit is veiled, dynamically challenged, and injects a big dose of digital "haze" and glare.  I had a terrible time getting it to work.  I did let it break in for a long time.  Many, many hours of playtime.  I connected a 5Vdc regulated linear ChiFi power supply as well.  It helped, but if that's the only way I could listen to SACD, I would go without.

I think the DBOB is a fabulous product.  For less than the price of a high-end used SACD player, the audiophile can experience SACD playback that makes the format's benefits obvious.  At one point, I even put together a different variation of the system, using the DBOB and the ChiFi power supply along with my used Audioquest digital cables.  The changes were 1) A Sony Blu-Ray SACD player in place of my OPPO (it's a very affordable player found on the used market all over the place).  I also executed a DAC change, in the form of the FiiO K11 R2R DAC, which is under $200.  To the FiiO, I connected the same 12VDC power supply to it, as it does have 2 hookups on the back.  SACD and CD playback were truly excellent.  Very musical, transparent, with that solidity and delicacy that SACD provides.  The nice part?  If a person looks at the player/DBOB/DAC/CABLES/POWER SUPPLY as an entire playback unit, when your transport goes, get another one.  You want an upgrade?  Cables, transport, DAC....  There is tremendous versatility for the SACD lover.  Additionally, it offers excellent redbook playback and the ability to play audio DVDs and Blu-Ray Audio.  

This product is a win-win!  

 

@f1a   I have bought several of these in an assortment of voltages.  These are fantastic audio grade power supplies.  I know 2 owners of High End audio companies who use them (one does turntables and one does amplification).  That's how I found out about these power supplies in the first place!

https://ebay.us/m/wqsxS1

The latest news I have concerning DBOB:  The current trio of SACD players I have are a former flagship MARANTZ SA 1 $7500, ELECTROCOMPANIET EMP-1 $8300, and MARANTZ SA-11S2 $3500.  (All prices are "back in the day"). All of these players sound very good (SA-11S2), excellent (SA 1), and excellent ++ (Electrocompaniet).  

After installing a Chinese made linear power supply in the OPPO, it very hard to pick a "best" between the Electrocompaniet and the OPPO DBOB combo, but both were sonically superior to the Marantz SA 1.  The SA-11S2, while pleasing, was sort of left in the dust a while ago.  THAT IS REALLY SAYING SOMETHING.  Considering the sonic qualities of these players and their price points, this makes the DBOB-OPPO-CHIFI POWER SUPPLY combo a huge bargain.  Then a change happened with the Electrocompaniet.

The $8300 EMP-1S had a dealer service REFERENCE upgrade available that was $1695.  It was a new "base" for the transport mechanism comprised of a 6mm thick steel plate with rubber feet on the bottom that connected to the bottom chassis plate, then the transport connected to the steel plate.  There was a new power supply board for the analog stage (I must admit, a very trick design), then a a dedicated transformer for the analog stage.  All harnesses and hardware were included along with a little gold badge stating "Reference" that sticks on the front in designated location.  I have never even seen a pic of one until I stumbled across something on a European site. I located a complete kit and paid way-way-way less than $1695.  I installed it.  What was excellent++ became "exceptionally killer".  It's the best digital I've ever heard anywhere, at any point in my life.  I know there's better out there,  but, this is no joke.  I can say, without reservation, the Electrocompaniet EMP-1S REFERENCE walks away from the DBOB combo.  It does comprise a $10K player.  In its pre-reference state at $8300 it was considered to be a direct rival to a $13K Simaudio and a $15K Wadia after all, and now it's had an upgrade.

Who knows though....  What if the DBOB, OPPO, CHIFI PS- combo used better cables?  What about some other device for a transport?  All I can say is that in my Jeff Rowland, Cardas Reference, Dynaudio system the combo is a High End digital system for CD, SACD, DAD, and Blu-Ray Audio playback.  At that price, I never would have believed it if I hadn't heard it myself.  I'm keeping my DBOB in case I'm tempted by Blu-Ray Audio or I one day need an SACD player and pricing or availability is a problem.  The DBOB is like a digital physical media survival tool!  Oh, and just for the record, due to its jitter reduction clocking, CDs sound better going through the DBOB than they do with the dac connected directly to the player.

The audio press is under-praising this device, and I get why.  When they do their reviews and come up with "I thought I could detect some improvement possibly in this region maybe......"  they are either deaf, or their systems can't resolve it, or they don't wish to anger the likes of Marantz, or Esoteric, or McIntosh, or other SACD player companies.  I suppose the streaming and hi-res download companies have a stake too.  Don't let any luke-warm reviews scare you away.  This is a killer device.