Millennia Media imersiv D1


yyzsantabarbara

@kirkwallace If the unit is broken in you may not even want to use the 2HD filter. Kind of depends on the speakers and amp. Try going direct into your XLR inputs on your amp. Going through a preamp was not optimal except via a passive transformer-based preamp/switch. I think John La Grou is coming out with one.

My friend Danny made one and let me try it out. I was able to go into an RCA only amp with the switch. I ended up selling my $7k RAAL VM-1a tube amp after I heard the D-1 DAC via RCA into my $400 (used) Schiit Aegir v1 amp. The Aegir only does RCA in stereo mode. I did not like the D-1 with the XLR based VM-1a. I think the tubes were a little overwhelmed. I had a bit of fatigue in that setup.

The Townshend Audio passive preamp is another one that I think would work with the D-1, though the truly balanced version is coming out in the future. 

Allegri Reference - Townshendaudio

 

 

Time will tell @yyzsantabarbara . And I did read your earlier  recounting of skipping the preamp as well as immersiv’s own comments about this on their website.  Of course, that’s not an option with the CODA CSiB, but I might try it with my Rowland, but will also try it into the Corus preamp.  (If the interwebz are to be believed, many users of the D-1 seem to report no issue going into their pre-amps, so it may all be very system dependent.) 

Well, I spent 3 days listening to the D-1 (on a variety of filters and 2d harmonic settings, but obviously not all 2500 possible combinations; and only with upsampling turned off) in both of my systems and the results were a bit startling to me.

The TL;DR version is that in the Rowland 625 S2/Corus/Power Storage run system with a Aurender N20 and DALI Epicon 6 speakers, the D-1 showed more detail (quite a bit more) and a quieter noise floor than with the LTA Aero (in this case with rare GEC 12 volt B36 NOS tubes, that sound as good or better to me in general than TungSol black glass round plates), but on pretty much all types of music the net resulting sound was less pleasing to us. It was less “sweet” with less of the lit from within quality that I’ve come to count on from this system. This was particularly evident with classical guitar (e.g., Julian Breem playing Bach), string quartets, and cello piano duets (e.g. the amazing 1968 recording of Schubert’s Arpeggione Sonata (D. 821) by Rostropovich and Benjamin Britten accompanying his cellist friend on the piano), but also with Joni Mitchel, Betty Carter, Ella, and even Who’s Next.  There was also what i perceived as the tiniest bit of harshness in the upper midrange and treble from the D-1 compared to the liquid sound of the Aero’s tubes.

Interestingly (to me at least), when i put the D-1 in the dining room system (JA Perspective 2 Graphene, Innuos Stream1 plus the standalone Phoenix USB reclocker and CODA CSiB V2 integrated amp), the result compared to the Aero (in that case with 12 volt TungSol black glass round plate tubes) was much closer. Again, more detail, but only slightly it seemed.  Also less obvious hard edged sound.  In fact, although i didn’t try a blind A/B test, my suspicion is that i would not have been able to reliably tell the difference blind.  I am not sure what to attribute this difference to, other than a synergy of R2R tube NOS DAC and the Rowling electronics in the living room system (or perhaps room acoustics, but both rooms are untreated and fairly reflective due to lots of floor to ceiling windows (more of that in the living room, however).  It is the case that when both systems have Aero DACs in them, the dining room one does sound more “neutral” or “clean” and less “sweet”. Definitely does not create what i am calling, for lack of better vocabulary or technical knowledge, the lit from within glow that is quite noticeable in the living room system. Presumably this is due to the CODA’s famed neutrality.  

So, while this was only a relatively brief try-out, I did listen for many hours each day, both in focused listening mode and while doing other things in those rooms, and obviously a highly idiosyncratic take, I would definitely support @audphile1 ’s advice to test out this DAC before committing to buy it. I suspect many ( @yyzsantabarbara obviously) will love it, perhaps especially if your room is better acoustically treated than mine, but for me I am sticking with R2R NOS for now.

(I should note that i could not bring myself to bypass the CORUS & PSU and connect the D-1 directly to my 625 S2 amp; so perhaps the D-1 would have sounded better had i done that, but I know that i would not buy a DAC that doesn’t play well with that preamp and its power supply.)

I got a chance to audition the D1 in my system for a while. Long story short, I did not like it. It was unnatural sounding, not able to relax with it. Maybe it was bad synergy with my system. Not sure. I could not play DSD files- they were truly broken sounding. The DAC also stuttered and skipped when used with my streamer, a playback mps-x, which has been rock solid with every other DAC I’ve tried it with. I tried direct with laptop as USB source running Roon and still had odd issues with track to track stuttering and wonkiness. Maybe the D1 was defective. 

The D-1 is going to be limited going through an integrated amp like the CSiB (I owned it). I say this because the most resolving preamp I have heard is the Benchmark LA4/HPA4 and when I connected the still breaking in D-1 into it the sound was not particularly outstanding. It was better than the Schiit Singular DAC I also had on the preamp (both by XLR) but not by much., However, I was told by my friend, Danny who sells this thing, to go direct to amp because the designer told him that was the best way to hear the difference of the D-1 compared to other DACs. 

When put the D-1 directly into my CODA #16 amp and Yamaha NS5000 speakers the improvement in resolution was immediately evident. I put my HPA4 up for sale the next day. I have owned the LA4 or HPA4 since about 2012 and have heard it with many amps and sources. It was never the weak link until the D-1.

I sold my CODA #16 last week (still pending) and I will be using the D-1 with my CODA #11 amp and my Class D Audio GanFet 6.5 amp. Both have XLR and RCA inputs on the amp. I use XLR from the D-1 into either amp. I have a long Benchmark XLR cable to the Livingroom. I will only listen to the D-1 on my best system.

On my office system, Magnepan Mini + GanFet 6.5, I also have a Schiit Valhalla 3 OTL/OCL tube preamp + audiophile RCA switch to listen to 2 tuners and an RME DAC (for SACD's). The Valhalla 3 goes into the GanFet amp by RCA. The nice thing about the GanFet is that it automatically switches between RCA and XLR.

None of this is particularly convenient but the sonic difference of the D-1 makes it worthwhile for me.