Why did high end audio manufacturers take the wrong path in manufacturing gear?


We all know that high end audio manufacturers took the route of "my gear is the most expensive with only a few made, so it must be the best and the best value" and we wonder why so many high end manufacturers are having financial trouble. Does Classe, Auralic, MBL, darTZeel, and others come to mind? If we would apply this same manufacturing process to computers and cars (build low volume items so the price is high), your computer would cost you tens of thousands of $$ and your Toyota Corolla would cost you $100,000. 

If you compare audio equipment to say a car, the audio gear doesn't have that many pieces that would justify the high cost. For example: How many pieces are in a speaker? 100? 200? The Koenigsegg carbon wheel (it is hand made, takes 3 days to make each wheel) is comprised of 350 pieces (for each wheel,) and 4 of these wheels cost $65k. That's 12 man days of labor, Caron fiber is expensive, and over 1200 pieces of material. Compare that to say 1 of the high end brand $700,000 speakers. Probably take less many hours to make a speaker, with less parts. 

I know, I know, some of the high end manufacturers will say they have R&D costs to make their widget, but doesn't everybody have these same costs? How many designers does a car manufacturer hire? How many clay models do they produce? How many cars are made, tested, tweaked, then destroyed for safety reasons during development? It's public knowledge that it cost Toyota $500M to $1B to develop a new car. How much does it cost the high end speaker company to develop a new speaker? Peanuts compared to what it costs a car manufacturer. So if Toyota has this much upfront cost, plus the cost of all of their thousands and thousands of employees, plant costs/maintenance, how can they charge only $20k for a Corolla? Remember, there are many tasks to build a car that are hand made: engines, transmissions, etc. IMO, if you would apply the Toyota development process to high end audio, you wouldn't have any piece of gear that would cost more than $10k, maybe even $5k. 

Now, if you agree with me that high end is way overpriced for what goes into each piece, answer me this: Would you buy a new home or a stock knowing that the value would drop 50% tomorrow? So why do people buy high end equipment knowing that it is a commodity that will be worth 50% less the day after you bought it?  PLUS: you have people buying audio equipment on credit, maybe paying 10% interest. So not only are you underwater paying cash, you will drown by buying audio gear on credit. IMO, the only people that should be buying high end audio equipment are those that have true financial freedom. But even then, why would I buy a $700k speaker, even if I have financial freedom, when I can invest that money and double it within a few months? Since early last year, I have increased my stock investments value by 100-300%. 

I know what people are going to say: my car value goes down when it leaves the showroom and I'm underwater if I take a loan out for the car. 90% of the time this is correct, that's why you always pay cash for a car. Let me talk about the other 10%: if I would have purchased the Porsche 918 Spyder back in 2015 for the same price that the high end speakers cost, around $750k, you would be able to sell the Porsche today for $3.5M. Too rich, if you would have purchased the 2019 Porsche Speedster for $500k, you would be able to sell it today for $750k or more. How much would a 5 or 10 year old $700k speaker sell for today? 

I love audio, love listening to a very nice systems, but I think most manufacturers took/take the wrong approach on the manufacturing process.

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@parkergetdean - I am sorry to hear you have had such poor experiences with wealthy people, and family members.  Like the rest of us, wealthy people are susceptible to temptations, and some behave badly.  OTOH, in the community where I live, the wealthiest have performed extraordinary good deeds that will provide a positive impact to residents for many years to come.

Please don’t presume how I interpret success, as it has more to do family, friends, happiness, and helping others succeed, and very little relationship to wealth.  I certainly do not idolize wealth but I do appreciate the sacrifices some make in order to become successful in their careers and to operate successful businesses.  Many successful/wealthy people own businesses that provide their employees the means to support families and move forward toward their own job/career aspirations. I would call that relevant.

A couple of thoughts after reading through this entire thread. The audio business is really not much different than many other consumer oriented business. Those that succeed study the market and fulfill a need.

Catering only to a ultra high end market carries a lot of risk. Successful and enduring companies look for the sweet spot to fulfill the wants of both ends of the market. KEF seems to have found success by catering to the mainstream and the high end. They also minimize investment by building the top line products basically by building to order instead of keeping a large inventory of expensive gear, Yamaha, Panasonic, Sony and others also have the necessary muscle in talent, capital and production capacity to cover their bases.

The segment of high end audio that I find interesting is the accessory/fringe end. There seems to be a thing about inventing a problem and then offering an expensive solution. To me, this means expensive cable lifters, magic pebbles, garden hose size interconnects with big bulges built in. etc.

@kerrybh I did use the term "ultra rich" as I knew this would become an issue. In the US, I would put it around 50 million plus. People who have guard and guest houses on their property that are bigger than my house (and then a couple more properties.)

I don't consider a person with a Porsche in the category that I would label for how they made their money. There a couple Porsches and Ferraris on my block and the owners are just normal people with well paying jobs, good for them. 

I guess I was trolling, it's not the subject of this post. I am just fed up with how we are screwed these days by bullies and thugs who take advantage of the rules "being there for a few to get rich and powerful by ignoring them while the rest abide/or go to jail for minor offenses". But it's not new, Catholicism was the same idea: keep the poor in line, and the privileged above the law. 

This discussion came up on the Hi Fi Five on YouTube and Mike from Suncoast Audio said these ultra high end pieces are made for the Asian market.  I'm guessing that market is more into status, etc.  I know gold is huge in India.

Also, for anyone who thinks the sound of a $5k, $10k, $25k, etc system can't be beat i suggest you go to an audio show.  Start at the super expensive rooms and work your way down.  You will quickly see the differences price brings and it is glaringly obvious.  I will admit the $100k rooms to me sounded just as good as the $350k room.  Below $100k, the differences were easily discernable.  I accidentally did this at the Florida Expo this past weekend and it totally ruined the lower cost rooms for me.