Dealing with Static on LP palyback


Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with static build up on LPs as I play them?   Just playing one side is something enough to cause an arc when I pick up the album.  Most of the time I hear tiny, consistent crackles that sound just like static.

All the things I tried that claim to reduce static does not.  I must have four record mats and a camel hair tone arm brush, all of which claim to reduce static but have no effect that I can see.

spatialking

@oldaudiophile 

"Regarding the Roy Gandy theory of the stylus just pushing dust & debris out of the way, there is a funny story about this.  Can't remember where I read or possibly saw the video about this, probably Analog Planet or one of Michael Fremer's many videos.  As best I recall, Mr. Fremer was visiting the Rega factory in England and was later invited to Mr. Gandy's home.  Upon discussing this idea that the TT stylus just pushes dust & debris out of the way, Mr. Fremer suggested putting this to the test by playing a succession of records without brushing and without a dust cover in place.  It wasn't long before enough dust & debris had accumulated at the stylus tip that it lost contact with the record grooves and ultimately started skipping around on the record.  I wonder how Mr. Gandy plays his records now."

Let's get real here and thanks for addressing me directly @oldaudiophile by linking my username.  I've always advocated in all my posts dusting a record prior to play as in the one you responded to just preceding yours. When the stylus encounters foreign matter as the record plays it pushes it out of the way. 

The endless dissertations in this thread regarding what electrical charges and dust particles have to do with noisy playback are essentially moot and quoting old research papers published decades ago when the technology was still in it's infancy to bolster one's position on an age-old subject. With newer and more advanced stylus profiles, if a listener would take the time to do their discovery, purchase a cartridge that uses a better profile and set it up in their tonearm as directed by the manufacturer along with the most basic record handling and hygiene practices is all that is required to control the noise levels during vinyl playback. There are always going to be minute surface defects and occasional non-fill from the stamping process. Also, there might be foreign matter adhered at the very surface which can be delt with permanently using a keen eye and a fingernail if one remembers the track that was playing where it occurred in the music segment. Not a cure for all occasional pops and clicks but that's vinyl.

Using additives on a records surface (Groove Glide or whatever) poses protentional future risks as the components of that material ages and brakes down in the groove. Cleaning solutions as well, regardless of the manufacture's claims about it's purity and effectiveness will leave residue on the records surface and in the grooves that will eventually contribute to surface noise. Observing the accumulation of these substances on the stylus after play is direct evidence.

I also watched fastidiously the series of Micheal Fremer videos when he visited Rega several years ago and don't recall a segment where Fremer put Gandy's assertions to the test as I quoted you above. Find me a link to the segment you're referring to and I'll stand corrected.

If you believe that Fremer is a final authority on anything having to do with vinyl, then you must be one of his lambs. He can be credited along with others for helping to keep vinyl in the public's conciseness during it's darkest days, however.

Hudson has something similar for a tenth of the price. Hudson Hi-Fi Anti-Static Vinyl Cleaning Arm

I use one of these on my Sota Sapphire.  I think it helps.  During cold months, I can literally hear the static when I lift a record off my old JVC direct drive, which doesn't have room for one of these.  That doesn't happen when I use the brush on the Sota. 

Does it make things sound better?  Maybe?  I can't say that records play any differently on the two tables, other than the sound quality differences between the different table, cartridge, and tonearm.  It's not like I hear more noise on the JVC when I play the same record on both tables.

@richardbrand, @lewm

FWIW - how air will be drawn down and across the record when spinning should follow this example:  Laminar Flow Over a Spinning Disk | Ansys Innovation Courses

How small particles drop from the air has been studied extensively because of cleanrooms, and this is a good article - CACR25_FINAL_LR.pdf, and let me summarize:  84)“…particle settling rate, the rate of surface accumulation is proportional to the airborne concentration which is differentiated by the particle size, the exposure time, and the orientation of the surface relative to the air flow. Surfaces parallel to the average direction of flow and at right angles to gravity sustain the lowest particle accumulation.". Figure 4 of the article shows the Deposition Velocity for the very small particulate <5 um is very slow, but the large particles >25 um is much faster.  Once the record is spinning, the risk for small particles depositing in the groove should be very low.  Larger particles that deposit will be on the record, but not in the groove.

A published study of static on a record is in the article Phonograph Reproduction 1978, James H. Kogen, Audio Magazine May 1978, Audio-1978-05.pdf.  Kogen observed & measured that that static is not uniform, but exists as islands on a record. Additionally, once the static gets high enough to discharge to the cartridge it only reduces to about 4200 volts. A static charge on the record of 4200 volts will not create noise by itself, but it can by electrostatic attractive forces cause a transient increase in cartridge VTF as much as 0.375 grams leading to distortion and premature wear.

The use of a grounded conductive (as defined by ESD requirements) brush is unlikely to remove the static charge below deleterious levels:  Microsoft Word - SEALEZE_WHITE_PAPER_Final dam.doc.

As far as why the PVC and diamond pair in rubbing does not produce static is likely caused by the diamond on the triboelectric scale being close to PVC, meaning it attracts electrons to yield a negative charge the same as PVC, and that is implied in this article:  (PDF) Durable and High‐Performance Triboelectric Nanogenerator Based on an Inorganic Triboelectric Pair of Diamond‐Like‐Carbon and Glass.