Dealing with Static on LP palyback


Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with static build up on LPs as I play them?   Just playing one side is something enough to cause an arc when I pick up the album.  Most of the time I hear tiny, consistent crackles that sound just like static.

All the things I tried that claim to reduce static does not.  I must have four record mats and a camel hair tone arm brush, all of which claim to reduce static but have no effect that I can see.

spatialking

@billstevenson 

I will side with Lewm that the simple act of playing our records does not generate significant static

Bill, thanks for your contribution here!  I tried to stay out of it as long as I could, too.

I agree that playing records does not constitute a significant explosion risk.  As an Aussie, I wish I could say the same about coal dust in a mine, or dust from grains in a silo.

Use of the word "significant" is significant.  To me, static is significant if it causes pops by, in effect, super-gluing dust particles to the groove.  To others, it may only seem significant if there are sparks and kilovolt read outs.  But if you look at the atmosphere, there is almost a kilovolt potential difference between your head and your feet and it is of no significance in everyday life.  Except if you are soldering sensitive components, when you should be using a wrist band to connect yourself to a conductive work surface.

First and foremost I will admit that I am not particularly interested in the root causes for static buildup on records

There we differ, especially when confronted by a blanket statement that it is not caused by the stylus, when all the physics I know says it could be!  That statement has since been slightly softened ...

there are any number of devices that work to reduce it

I know we both miss our Dust Bugs.  Boy, the dust they picked up was phenomenal.  Not sure they did anything about static, though.  But many devices simply don’t work or may make things worse if not used properly.  Zerostats and similar emit positive ions on one stroke, and then negative ions.  You have to somehow reduce the dose to zero, or you will end up with a charged record.

there are things you can do to improve your home environment

Such as centralised heating systems that include electrostatic precipitators to eliminate the smallest dust particles, but only if the dust particles are charged!

On dust covers, I now have one turntable with one, and one without.  To my great surprise, when I measured the effect of opening the lid there was no significant increase in feedback from the speakers.  But obviously, a thousand-fold less air volume is available to supply dust when the lid is closed.

The Holbo air bearing system on the other hand cannot be played with its optional cover in place.  The tonearm bearing has about 10 microns clearance and is reputedly machined to 3 microns tolerance.  There are warnings not to move the arm unless the air supply is on, and a cloth is supplied to protect the bearing when not in use. For comparison, 10 microns seems to be about the smallest particle bothering a record groove.

@spatialking 

my ex-wife's cats clawed the gasket

That would have been my wife's ex-cats, followed by my ex-wife's ex-cats!  Mine would sleep anywhere warm - top of the amplifier, laptop.  Caused thousands in damage.  The cat was nearly as bad.

Thanks for the information on your turntable.  It does not have an insulated platter, which eliminates that as a potential problem.  However, the mats you are using do seem to be insulators.  Have you tried a conductive mat?  The silk belt could act like a Van der Graff generator but both ends are grounded, so no to that idea.

I think a huge part of your problem could be the synthetic carpet.  Have you tried an anti-static spray treatment, designed to reduce static shocks and dust buildup?

I decided not to pay extra for Holbo's dust cover (the transport costs were prohibitive) and I bought some velvet cloth to cover it when not in use.

@lewm 

Where did I say I see electrons or that it is even possible to see them

I can only see the bulldust of more misquoting! 

I said you have no chance of seeing micron-sized dust particles.  I know you don't like ChatGPT but there are lots of atoms in a dust particle and even more electrons.  The numbers are staggering:

A micron-sized dust particle (around 1-100 micrometers) contains an immense number of atoms, ranging from trillions to quadrillions (10^12 to 10^18 atoms), depending on its exact size and composition, with a 1-micron particle potentially holding roughly 10^12 to 10^14 atoms of common materials like silicon dioxide, as atoms are incredibly tiny building blocks. 

The fundamental electromagnetic force is even more staggeringly big compared with gravity - 10^36 times more.  So a stray electron can effectively anchor a small dust particle to an insulator.

@dhite71 

Hudson has something similar for a tenth of the price. Hudson Hi-Fi Anti-Static Vinyl Cleaning Arm

The key is that both have an earth leakage path, and conductive bristles, something missing in the old Dust Bug and similar products.

You might just have nudged me into getting one!