Low Cost Turntable - Incredible Performance


I highly recommend the Pioneer PL-30-K Belt Drive Line Output Automatic Turntable. Amazon offers for $400 but new in box are $299 on eBay now. I owned higher-end TTs and I can say this TT sounds as good. It is not well known compared to other brands, Replace the low end AT3600 cartridge though. A bonus is it is fully automatic. IMO you cannot go wrong with this purchase.

jimbennet

RB, You wrote, "Direct drive tables tend to have worse flutter than belt drive, because direct drive uses impulses to rotate the platter while elastic belts tend to absorb vibration from higher speed motors."

First, is the premise correct? Do DD TTs in fact have higher flutter than belt drive?  I don’t know one way or the other. But to your following point about DD TTs using "impulses" to rotate the platter.  This sounds like the old "cogging" allegation that BD lovers foist on to DD TTs. The treatment of cogging is either to use a lot of poles, so the impulses are very closely spaced, and there are other tricks of the trade that address the timing, all of which are very effective in rendering cogging inaudible. Modern or even late 20th century DD TTs don’t have audible cogging. Plus many of the best DD TTs use coreless motors that are inherently free of cogging.  As to the bit about the belt absorbing motor irregularities in a BD TT, that depends entirely on the compliance of the belt, and that speaks to one of the most common points of discussion with BD. Should you have a noncompliant belt so the motor can control the platter as stiffly as possible (but this allows noise transfer) or a compliant belt that isolates motor and platter, relatively speaking, but allows stylus drag and any other sources of friction to slow the platter before the motor can compensate, even assuming the motor is seeing some sort of feedback vis platter speed? With a compliant belt the platter speed can vary up and down, as the motor tries to catch up with what the platter is doing. Like "cogging" with DD, the issue with belt compliance and motor torque in BD TTs is more for argument's sake than it is a major determinant of SQ, assuming well designed and built examples of each type. But there is no free lunch.

 

thecarpathian: Glad you posted that chart. It means I can keep my crappy old Technics SL-1200 ML2. It is listed at .01 or .025% WOW depending on the method used.

@devinplombier 

If you live in Perth, Australia, he’s just a short drive away

Perth in Australia is the most distant capital city in the Western World!  It is about 4,000-km from Sydney by road.  In a road test of a Jaguar being driven from Perth to Sydney, the testers were impressed when the GPS announced "in 980-kms take the second turn on the roundabout".

Being isolated enforces self-reliance and Perth is home to audio innovators like ER Audio (electrostatic speakers) and March Audio (amplifiers, speakers).

The March husband and wife team drove over for the Sydney Hi Fi Show, and in my opinion had the best sound in the show.  They live in Gingin on the Brand Highway just north of Perth.  Three days drive each way to Sydney!

@oberoniaomnia 

 record wobble frequency is at 1 Hz

Thanks - I had a brain fade and got my starting point wrong.  33-rpm is about 0.5-Hz, not 2-Hz.  My mistake.  Hopefully it shows I was not relying on AI (though maybe I should have been!)