Loudspeaker sensitivity and dynamics: are the two inexorably linked?


Have been listening to quite a few speakers lately, and increasingly I've noticed that more sensitive speakers tend to have better microdyanmics - the sense that the sound is more "alive" or more like the real thing.

The speakers involved include my own Magico A5's, Joseph Audio Pulsar 2's, and  Wilson Watt/Puppy 7's, as well as others including the Magico M3, Wilson Alexia V, various Sonus Faber's, Magnepan's,  Borressen's, and Rockport models (Cygnus and Avior II).

A recent visit to High Water Sound in NYC topped the cake though: proprietor and vinyl guru Jeff Catalano showed off a pair of Cessaro horns (Opus One) that literally blew our minds (with a few listening buddies).  The Cessaro's sensitivity is rated at 97 db, highest among the aforementioned models.  That system was very close to live performance - and leads to the topic.

I'm not referring to maximum loudness or volume, rather that the music sounds less reproduced and more that the instrumentation and vocals are more real sounding through higher sensitivity speakers.

Is this a real phenomenon?  Or is it more the particular gear I've experienced?

Thoughts?

bobbydd

@timlub wrote:

I was really trying to deal with the idea of dynamics only. I did bring up efficiency a few efficiency issues, but tried to keep it in an understandable format.  To those that don't have a better idea of sensitivity vs efficiency.  The short answer:

Sensitivity measures the volume out vs the power in.  Example 90db output with 2.83v input or 90db output with 1watt of input @ 8 ohms. 

Efficiency measures the amount of output vs the amount of input in power or how much power is lost due to heat dissipation.  Example would be 100% of power in, 90% of power out, 10% loss.  

I'm fully aware of the distinction between sensitivity and efficiency. Now and then may use both terms in the same post, but without getting into numbers I take most get the basic idea on how high sensitivity and high efficiency relate in opposition to low one and the other. 

I tried to express in simple terms what for most is the culprit when it comes to dynamics and transparency.  We can discuss crossovers or thermal compression in another thread

I fail to see the need for that when what's brought up is interconnected. 

Thermal compression happens to all drivers, high sensitivity or low. How much depends on how well the motor can dissipate heat.  For example,  fero-fluid may dissipate heat better and have lower thermal compression ( re increasing with temp) but it is not without other issues that can effect perceived dynamics.  Same goes for the flexibility of the suspension, that can actually get "looser" with heat for less compression.   Drivers are a combination of parameters, some working in opposite directions giving a better all things considered performance than any one part looked at in isolation. 

However, all things considered, thermal compression is most likely a wash between technologies.  Other factors already mentioned ae greater. 

@tvrgeek wrote:

Thermal compression happens to all drivers, high sensitivity or low. How much depends on how well the motor can dissipate heat.

It happens to all drivers regardless of sensitivity, yes, but obviously at different stages; all things being equal a 10dB gain in sensitivity means a given SPL has less heat build-up in that voice coil than the lesser sensitive variant being it handles 10x less power. To boot the more sensitive driver, typically a pro segment ditto, has better power handling with a larger diameter voice coil and usually better gap cooling, so it’s not even an "all things being equal" scenario but rather one that generally favors the more sensitive driver as well with regard to heat dissipation.

For example, fero-fluid may dissipate heat better and have lower thermal compression ( re increasing with temp) but it is not without other issues that can effect perceived dynamics.

True, on both accounts, but here the basis of comparison is other tweeters with similar-ish sensitivity, where ferrofluid-using variants may see an advantage in regards to power compression "fatigue" for a given SPL. (At a panel discussion some 30 years ago with the late Hother Bak of Dali, he argued ferrofluid could have resonant damping qualities in the voice coil, but they ultimately worked towards avoiding ferrofluid in their tweeters due to, as you put it, "other issues")

Same goes for the flexibility of the suspension, that can actually get "looser" with heat for less compression. Drivers are a combination of parameters, some working in opposite directions giving a better all things considered performance than any one part looked at in isolation.

This is an interesting field of discussion. Question is if there’s basis for speculating into mechanical "compression" at lower SPL’s with more stiffly suspended pro drivers. They are, some of them, thought to be less adept sonically at lower volumes, only to open up with more prodigious SPL’s - which is their intended target range anyhow. Myself I’ve invested some effort into selecting my particular pro cinema speakers and knowing their drivers in these regards, but usually high efficiency speakers are known for their great low-SPL capabilities, coming-to-life and overall attentiveness here. Some guys, like Devon Turnbull of Ojas, are keen on selecting rather low power handling, high efficiency pro driver designs of yore with their lighter voice coil assembly, overall moving mass and higher compliance, matching them up with low powered and topologically simple tube amps. The rationale likely being (if it doesn’t simply come down to a preference based on listening only): why all that power handling (and amp power capacity) from pro drivers with their high efficiency for use in a domestic environment? Devon finds some of the modern pro drivers "lethargic" sounding compared to the older designs he prefers, and while in certain contexts at least his views here are not without merit, I don’t entirely agree with him.

However, all things considered, thermal compression is most likely a wash between technologies. Other factors already mentioned ae greater.

It’s not that complicated. Pragmatically speaking sensitivity and power handling are the primary factors, and ones that have direct implications on dynamic capabilities. And as already mentioned, passive crossovers is a factor as well.

Just imagine speaker voice coil even with most effective dissipate heat is possible. When you need dozens of watts to drive the speaker the heat on this voice coil is huge. You can’t cool it in closed small box without fan. Another story if it is just around 1 watt of power. I don’t like sound of any dynamic speakers that need 100+ watt amplification. For me all of them sound tiresome, boring and lack of live and real musicality.

Most people can't understand how much heat produces just 8 watts. I have a DIY phono stage in a big metal box with a resistor with heatsink attached to the chassis. The heat dispersion on this resistor is around 8 watts. Despite the phono stage sitting on an open stand shelf it is getting pretty warm when it is on.

Another factor is - the crossover parts like resistors, inductors are heating when you push dozens of watts on a speaker. As a result, parameters of drivers and crossover parts are changing with the power. As a result most low sensitivity speakers can sound good only on one particular volume level.