Why do subs sound bloated or slow?


The use of subs in 2 channel audio is controversial around A’gon. Detractors argue that subs usually make a system sound bloated or slow.

IME, the two biggest challenges for integrating a sub into a 2 channel system are optimizing frequency response and optimizing transient response. When frequency response isn’t flat, the bass sounds bloated. When transient response isn’t time aligned, the bass sounds slow.

Here is my pet theory about why systems that use subs often sound bloated or slow: Under many circumstances, optimizing frequency response and optimizing transient response is a zero sum game. In other words, getting one right usually means you get the other wrong.

Thoughts?

Bryon
bryoncunningham
I owned a REL Strata III and found it a very fast and tight sub. I have also heard subs that did not sound as calibrated...so it really depends on a number of things.
It is much cheaper to make a subwoofer that plays bloated and slow - so that is mostly what you find.

It is extremely expensive to make a subwoofer with low distortion, significant SPL output below 30 Hz and a good transient response (low group delay). It requires a very large sealed box with a very expensive high quality large woofer.
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Well, the sub in my Home Theater sounds great for both music and movies and it aligns with the main full-range speakers seamlessly... and it's cheap! It's just set up really well (no EQ either -- digital or otherwise). So it can definitely be done, although like I suggested earlier, it's not that easy and you need to know what you're doing...