Hi Marco,
Interesting observation with the horns....one set of my speakers are the Klipsch 4.2's.
Boa, The Panache is a solid looking piece of electronics.....which is a good thing!
Pat
Review: Portal Panache Integrated Amplifier
SAS first post> "I don't understand a couple of comments. Since when do audiophiles not love music? Don't we all love music or am I missing something? "As Sam Tellig pointed out in Stereophile, it’s a bit of a misnomer to call the Panache an integrated amplifier. The pre-amp section is passive so it’s basically an amplifier with a volume pot, a balance control....." This seems interesting. A certain amount of gain is necessary for full output of any amplifier. Whether it is in a separate encloser, as a preamp, or is the first stage of the amp, in the amp cabinet itself, is irrevelant. So one could also say, which is standard, that the amp has an active preamp stage incorporated in the amp. [email protected] 04-12-05"> Interesting Jax, I didn't make one comment against the Panache. In fact Portal told the truth, it is an integrated. The comments only concerned being music lovers and Sam's comments. So their was no conflict of interest nor being a hypocrit. I think Jax owes all of us an apology for completely misrepresenting my position. |
I beg your pardon, but your "position", as I have understood it, was not at all in putting down the product itself, and I never accused you of doing so. Obviously you have no place to do so having never heard the piece of gear in question. What you have done is to put down the manufacturer as having used "marketing hype" to deliberately mislead the general public. You have posted here at length to prove and reiterate your point ad nauseum, and it was not until someone actually asked you, did you ever reveal you make your living manufacturing amps and preamps and other audio gear. Actually, they had to ask you twice in order for you to be so specific. Actually, now that I look back at Howard's query, you did not respond with your URL to him at all, nor to his question as to what you manufacture. You did post well after he'd asked his question, but did not address his query at all. It was actually Howard who posted your URL and revealed that you manufacture amps and preamps. So, as it stands, I see no need for any apologies Steve. I don't think I've misrepresented your position. Marco |
Sounds to me like you are trying to justify yourself, Jax. >>"Review: Portal Panache Integrated Amplifier I beg your pardon, but your "position", as I have understood it, was not at all in putting down the product itself, and I never accused you of doing so. Obviously you have no place to do so having never heard the piece of gear in question."> Read my first post again Jax. Try to get it right this time. I never put down, or even commented on the Panche or manufactuer. >>"What you have done is to put down the manufacturer as having used "marketing hype" to deliberately mislead the general public."> You just caught yourself Jax. My first post says nothing about the product or the manufactuer. In fact the manufactuerer was telling the truth. I only commented on being a music lover and Sams comments as hype. Get your facts straight. Any other comments I made after that were in reply to the questions, negative attacks, and the information you guys posed AFTER I made my first comment. Try to tell the whole story Jax, instead of misrepresenting. >>"You have posted here at length to prove and reiterate your point ad nauseum,"> Read the posts after my first post Jax. They had questions, didn't understand, and wanted answers, (look at suits me, he just demanded an answer.) Stop twisting and fudging on the truth, Jax. You guys wanted answers which I gave. By the way, what would you do if you were attacked? >>"and it was not until someone actually asked you, did you ever reveal you make your living manufacturing amps and preamps and other audio gear. Actually, they had to ask you twice in order for you to be so specific."> And I have three posts, from yesterday afternoon, that were never put up. Where are they Jax? And it takes 4-8 hours for them to be posted anyway. I was not attacking any product or manufacturer Jax. I made a simple first comment, and would have glad to leave then. And you could have just as easily have let my comment go, if you didn't like it, if you wanted too, couldn't you? But YOU guys wouldn't. You asked more questions, and I answered them. So why don't you stop misrepresenting. Only after the attacks did I ask if you guys are receiving any compensation. Interestingly, looking back, none has ever replied and said no. But you guys had to keep asking questions because you couldn't understand. I didn't push it on you. Go back and get your facts straight, Jax. Jax, you have left out or misrepresented 1) what my first post accurately says, and doesn't say. Nothing was even mentioned about the manufacturer. In fact Portal and I agree. So you misreprented that. 2) Questions, further information, comments, attacks posted time after time, AFTER my initial post, which you conviently left out to justify yourself. So I had to post the same thing over and over. So you misreprensated again. 3) So after misrepresenting me at least twice, you call me a hypocrit and conflict of interest? That is three times Jax. I feel your actions are deceitful, sly, and outright lying, Jax. I would say you owe me a public apology. Steve |
This is getting ridiculous…. MODERATOR - HELP!! I hate that this thread has grown to something that has nothing to do with the piece of equipment I set out to review. I would hope that after 63 posts, of which only a handful actually have to do with the Panache, everyone would agree to end this charade. We get it Steve – you think Sam Tellig’s comment concerning not calling the Panache a conventional “integrated amplifier” is wrong and you were somehow offended by your misunderstanding of my “I’m not an audiophile but a music lover” comment. You find fault with the whole integrated concept – further bolstered by the fact that you are designing and selling separates. Fine. I wish that this discussion had been moved out to the regular forum so that people interested in the Panache could come here, to the REVIEW section and find informative opinions on the Panache rather than finding an ongoing discussion surrounded around comments made by Sam and myself. Prompted by a designer and seller of competing equipment none the less. As it stands right now, short of my review, someone would have to filter through 62 rants to find 3 or 4 actual comments on the piece of equipment. What a shame since my intent was to introduce a piece of equipment I found so satisfying that it prompted me to write my first review… But, what the hell do I know - I'm no audiophile... |