Good day folks; I also am running two Bag End Infrasubs using my Plinius M8 preamps dual rca outs at line level. My system goals were to augment a full range speaker with a seemless blending full range fast, tight response along with left to right drum kit recreation.I also use Plinius SA102s in xlr dual mono with Mirage OM6s with a claimed response of 18 htz +-3db, Im running lots of power across my front two channels and with a Plinius P8 on my center channel another 400 watts through the use of my transparent ultras and splitter.Now while some may claim overkill Ive found all this power is not corrupting anything in my listening,actually quite the opposite as my significant other listened for nearly four hours one evening when we played Fleetwood Macs "The Dance" among others and Mics use of the kickdrum was recreated through my Bagends wonderfully with my Mirages midrange reponse and lower dual eightinchers recreating the drum kit, the Bagends are so seemless that the only time you know there on is if you unplug them, then instantly ambient spatial cues just disapeer and the stage becomes noticably more less real, somehow they impart a realism to the recorded event that allow one to "see" into the recording.Also a great reproducer of pipe recordings as listening to Saint Saens Boston Symphony on Living Stereo SACDs the shudder of the organs albeit very subtle again imparts that reality to recordings that get lost with just about any single full range speaker. I also have a Mirage BPS400 for huge .1 effects and yes all subs working in 5.1 dolby and dialed in low prefering to use my ear although I have measuring devices that assist I prefer my own ears when dialing in system. So most of my need for my Bagends were simply to augment my Mirages full range response and help provide more subtle spatial cues; that surpisingly found when adding my second sub.Its my belief that theyre are many great and badly designed products out theyre and this is one of the best for musicality purposes, hence the BPS400 is likewise in the effects camp, choose wisely and enjoy. Regards Tim W.
15" vs 18" subwoofer - which to buy?
If price and room space/aesthetics were not a big issue, is there any reason to get a 15" subwoofer over an 18" one? My main issue is not disturbing the neighbors too much. I'm confused about the difference between a 15" and 18" subwoofer. I want to get the best sound quality possible for low-to-medium volume use.
I've heard that an 18" subwoofer can be played at low decibels and provide good bass resolution and fullness of sound, while to achieve the same volume with a 15" subwoofer, the power has to be much higher. So for any given sound volume, the main difference is in distortion- and higher distortion sound may be more obtrusive. Is this true? it seems counterintuitive that an 18" subwoofer could be better for neighbors than a 15" subwoofer.
However, I compared a B&W800 (12") vs B&W850 (15"). I listened from the other side of the store wall (not as thick as my apt), and at minimum levels which I found satisfying for HT, I found the 12" more obvious and 'boomy' sounding while the 18" produced a more subtle (though actually more powerful), lower frequency vibration, like a very low-level rumbling background earthquake. The 15" subwoofer did seem more of a disturbance because of it's 'obvious' sound. However, I worry that an 18" won't even start producing quality sound until a certain volume that was much higher than a 15", and consequently potentially more disruptive for neighbors. Is this true? What is the relationship between subwoofer size, low sound volume, and subjective listening experience?
Unfortunately, it will be difficult to get an opportunity to hear both the DD-15 and DD-18 which I am considering, so I hope someone can help out here.
I've heard that an 18" subwoofer can be played at low decibels and provide good bass resolution and fullness of sound, while to achieve the same volume with a 15" subwoofer, the power has to be much higher. So for any given sound volume, the main difference is in distortion- and higher distortion sound may be more obtrusive. Is this true? it seems counterintuitive that an 18" subwoofer could be better for neighbors than a 15" subwoofer.
However, I compared a B&W800 (12") vs B&W850 (15"). I listened from the other side of the store wall (not as thick as my apt), and at minimum levels which I found satisfying for HT, I found the 12" more obvious and 'boomy' sounding while the 18" produced a more subtle (though actually more powerful), lower frequency vibration, like a very low-level rumbling background earthquake. The 15" subwoofer did seem more of a disturbance because of it's 'obvious' sound. However, I worry that an 18" won't even start producing quality sound until a certain volume that was much higher than a 15", and consequently potentially more disruptive for neighbors. Is this true? What is the relationship between subwoofer size, low sound volume, and subjective listening experience?
Unfortunately, it will be difficult to get an opportunity to hear both the DD-15 and DD-18 which I am considering, so I hope someone can help out here.
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