Wilson Sophia 2's on Marantz Reference


I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Wilson Sophia 2's and Marantz Reference combo. I am looking into getting a pair of the wilsons and setting them up with the Marantz PM-11s2 integrated and the Marantz SA-7s1 SACD player. Cabling will be Tara Labs or Audioquest. Powercords will be Shunyata Anacondas or Tara Labs The One. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
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$14K is the 'mass market' for Sophia IIs?

I ain't too sure how much mass is in that market. in fact I'm not so sure there is any mass in speaker markets over $5-6K MSRP, with $4K being the wealth of the loudspeaker industry, by and large.

maybe it's for the penny pinching executive... not the mass (larger ) buying public.

I've heard both the 802N & Sophia II... both on Ayre & or Levinson or Krell. 801's as well on Krell 250 wpc mono blocks.

the Ayre & Levingson were 400 wpc and 150 wpc monos respectively.

I didn't care for any of them. Some seemed starved for power, ie., 801 on 250wpc with Meridian front end. or simply uninvolving. Stark imaging well set and solid, but just dry & unemotionally engaging.

Given the size of the power trains all were attached to, I would sure think about my own power trains abilities. All did seem to require more than oridnary power to do what they do... and again, for that kind of money, they failed to so much as leave me with any positive impressions, past the cabinentry they possess.

The cabinents were sharp! Very nice esthetic... and maybe if tubes and something other than Transparent cabling were used... then... maybe.

I ached for either the 802 or Sophias forever! Aimed to get some eventaully.... was excited to be able to hear them too.... then was severely disappointed with their prresentations on the whole.

I've heard better for much less expense.

But if you've heard them in your system and like them, by all means, buy 'em! Just 'member, they'll need power despite their specs, to get their best out of them.

Dylanhenry

It’s all about perspective… your perspective as to what comprises “HIGH END” and my own simply differ.

You are a proponent of Wilson, referring to them as the best speakers in the world. Fine by me. Wilson, just like any other brand has it’s own sound. I dare say it doesn’t appeal to everyone. Nor do I suspect some recent objective gathering has since crowned them as the sole principal in the industry. The only definitive statement I can make about Wilson is that they are expensive… and as I said, perhaps over valued as well.

Another one could be, thay have too much “can’taffordium” or ‘unobtainium’ used in the materials list.

I assure you my own rig sounds more palpable, and musical than that which I experienced at the dealership listening to the Sophias.

And as usual the orig poster asked for others to subjectively mention the likely synergy between his Marantz int and the Sophia IIs.

My stance from hearing them and seeing what they were paired with for that level of performance I realized on the spot, is that more power than his integrated amp will supply, will likely be needed to get the best out of them.

Other’s said go B&W… and as well, I noted again, these two are power hungry units. More so than their specs reveal them to be.

I’m a proponent of great sounding systems. Cost is part of it all, but I’m not dismissive of components due to their price points. Neither have I read anywhere articles which have outlined the pricing guidelines declaring what is and what is not, “high end”. Consequently, I’d not proclaim that whatever expense would be needed to surmount the least level.

That phrase is as subjective a thing as any other discussed around here. It’s also a phrase some cling to for sheer affluent effect. I find it disdainful to indicate $14K as the ‘entry level’ price point for loudspeakers comprising the high end realm of audio recreation. By intimating such a thing submits to all others in this hobby who have thrown tons of duckets at their rigs, that they are still muddling their way along in a ‘less ‘than’ enterprise. It implies yet greater separation amongst the throng of avid enthusiasts.

By my reckoning, I’d venture to say 90% or more, of the consuming public at large would submit other criteria for the phrase “high end”… and isn’t the majority just another word for ‘mass’? I think aside from mere terminology, “high end” has a larger berth than you will concede. Maybe adding something more definitive such as ULTRA to preface the phrase is in order…. Probably more to your liking as well

The other subtlety I was transmitting to the orig poster was, given the state of items on hand there were many other fine choices for less money… and there are in fact. Truth be told, I’ve found far more often than not, those rigs wherein the greater body of the investment lays in front of the speakers out perform those where the investment is the other way around, laying largely on the loudspeakers.

It’s disconcerting at the very least to spend 6K on an amp, 9K on a pre, 8K on speakers, 4K on a sub, 10K on conditioning & cabling, let’s not speak of the accessories…. Then to be told you are of the mid fi or mass fi market, or worse yet… below the entry level threshold of high end audio. Doubtless, other loudspeaker and device makers would argue it as well.

It’s perspective…. Or maybe just the choice of words being used which casts at times, a pall of diminishment & separation. I’ll take issue with it routinely, as I’m more aligned to share and be a part of though.

Dylanhenry

Got it. Yes, no prob. it's simple words.

High End encompasses the whole of things from those things usually not within the confines of "Mass Fi" B&M stores, to the Rockports and other such Uberexpensive products, IMO

High End also can be subdivided, again IMO, into popular High End, Mid High End, and Ultra High End, and likely more or with other tags.

According to my friends I'm in the Crazy End of High End audio, as they all say you are nuts to spend that kind of money.

Yes also, I'm not a big fan of the Wilson Sophias either... though not due to what lays beyond them in the product line..... just their cost to performance ratio. Listening to them sure made some other speakers appear to have far more value thereafter.

I would say also if I were yet in the "lots of watts camp", and could find a preowned pair in superior cond & my choice of color for $5000, I'd buy 'em myself. At their usual of over 6500 though, they are no longer attractive. too many others including my own pair come too close or excell past them in areas I prefer to consider them given the pricing disparity between them.

$6500 - $7500 in the preowned speaker mkt sure buys one a heap of loudspeaker performance, even excluding BW & Wilson.

Be well
As much as I've been recently informed of greater speakerage providing great realism, it's quite doubtful I'll realize any level of loudspeaker mfg. whose retail is beyond 10-12K.

that's pretty real for me. So I just stay out of those rooms & places that have top tier models all fired up and playing... and now & then, I'll transgress and stick my nose in there anyways, just to add to my frustration or see how the folks on other side of the tracks live.