why do people feel the need to buy expensive cable


I have tried expensive cables and one's moderately priced. I would say there were some differences but I can't actually say the expensive cables were better. IMHO I believe a lot of people buy expensive cables because they don't actual trust their ears and are afraid of making a mistake. They figure the expensive cables are better for the fact they cost more. If you have a difference of opinion or share the same thoughts, I would like to hear about it.
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I've recently jumped into the very deep end of the pool with interconnects for my 2 new dacs.

I purchased a set of Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution w/HFX 1.5m XLR's for my Trinity Dac. these are the ones with the floating shield design and dual monoblock HFX ground system.

sorry to say that these cables indeed are the real deal. what they do is astonishing in terms of noise floor and revealing detail and musical refinement.

I've ordered another set of these in 2m RCA's for my Lampizator Golden Gate.

I wish they did not do what they do; but now that I've heard it there is no going back.

my system does allow for all the benefits of these 'uber' cables to come through. my new dart preamp enables them to shine.

crazy good!

don't listen if you might be tempted. I made that mistake.
earlier in the thread I had some comments about my recent experience with 'crazy expensive' Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution 1.5m XLR cables. one thing I mentioned was that they 'got out of the way of the music'.

Devilboy writes;
One thing they DO NOT do (and this one's my favorite), is "Get out of the way of the music". That phrase drives me mad. In fact, I believe they are doing the complete opposite.

I have to strongly disagree. no doubt some cables add coloration to the music with what else they do to transfer the signal. but some cables do actually further remove distortion from the signal path. and you can hear that.

these very expensive particular Tara Labs Grandmaster interconnects apply some exotic technology to the equation. some of the technology could be marketing speak, some of the technology is less likely marketing speak, and some of it is easily verifiable by the user.

cable geometry and metallurgy benefits pretty much is something none of us are in a position to actually verify. even assuming we believe our ears unless we go through the process of listening to various versions we are just guessing about cause and effect. so we must just accept the manufacturer's claims on those issues.

looking at the quality of the actual plugs it is easy to see where the cable manufacturer went to a much higher degree of effort and expense compared to other cables. we can see this. does that actually affect the improved performance? we don't know; but our experience with plugs and outlets with power cables does indicate that these things matter.

then there is the vacuum dielectric and air tube technology. we know this matters with cables. how much does it matter? we have no way of knowing really unless you would have one cable with it and one without.

then we get to the HRX dual monoblock floating ground station. the cables are grounded. here we don't need to take anything on faith. we can simply plug or unplug the grounding cable and listen.

now we easily hear the part where the noise floor drops dramatically and the music is revealed in much greater detail. it gets much more out of the way of the music. there are no trade-offs. crazy good. I wish for my finances it did not make such a profound difference.

you can sit there and plug and unplug and hear what is happening. it then becomes a question of whether that difference is worth it or not. no question it's not hype. it's simply life priorities.

I happen to have a 'borrowed' similar Tara Labs '2' steps down (Tara Labs Zero Gold) also on hand for comparison. this has an earlier version of the vacuum dielectric and grounding system. I also had the opportunity to try the Zero Evolution (the next step up above the Zero Gold) grounding box with the Grandmaster version. so I've been able to appreciate the steps up and what is doing what.

in the context of your system is it worth it?

happy to have anyone visit and they can plug and unplug that grounding box for themselves and listen.
if someone posts that they have an expensive Watch collection, or Wine collection, everyone has a positive reaction. it's cool. even a sailboat or toy car.

but if someone who has worked hard to assemble the best possible audio system finds that one of the only avenues left to push a little farther down the road is with an 'uber' set of cables then it's fair game to bash them.

in their minds, it's not 'cool enough' or 'accepted' so the haters come out. in their minds they cannot accept the value equation like those other indulgent uses for discretionary cash so might as well take shots.

just the negative pack mentality going on.
just for clarification, I don't use the $42k Tara Grandmaster speaker cables that Audiolabyrinth refers to here;

.....Mikelavigne's Grandmaster original model speaker cable's retail for 42,000.00 8ft, his system may be better for such cable's......

my speaker cables are Evolution Acoustics TRSC (Triple Run Speaker Cables) which are the best speaker cables I have heard. approximately $8-9k for an 8 foot pair. not cheap but not crazy. the one step down model of the Evolution Acoustics speaker cables (double run) replaced Transparent Audio Opus MM speaker cables ($34k) in my system. then i upgraded to the EA TRSC i now use. I'm very happy with what i hear from those speaker cables.

for me the price is not the issue. it is performance.

what I do use now is the Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution 1.5m XLR with the HFX which does list for $31k. i bought it used and got a great deal. and what it did rocked my world enough that i ordered another set of the same cables new but in a 2 meter RCA length. it lists for approximately that same $31k. it should arrive this next week. i would never have even thought about buying those if i had not heard with they did in my system. it's astonishing and they will screw your head up if you listen to them, they are that good.

10 years ago i had Von Schweikert VR9SE speakers and vertically bi-amped them using 2 sets of Transparent Audio Opus MM speaker cables. that was 2 x $34k list price at that time. it sounded amazing.
Calvin,

thank you for the kind words and comments in the 'spirit' of this thread,

@mikelavigne, you are slacking on your cable game. You got to get better ones. Lol. I'm rolling on the floor again laughing. On a serious note you seem to have an amazing system. Cheers!!! Lol.

sorry I'm not watching Audiogon every day so my responses are not always timely. the 'gon' interface keeps me away.

this week I did receive my second set of Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution 2 meter RCA's for my Lampizator Golden Gate 'dsd only' dac. again; I am quite amazed with the step up in overall performance I hear. and I've not yet placed them on my Audiodharma Cable Cooker yet.

allow me to explain my 'other' cables a bit, although any attempt at a serious comment on this silly thread is likely a waste of time. i use the new darTZeel NHB-18NS preamp and the NHB-458 mono blocks. darTZeel has their own proprietary interface using BNC connectors called 'zeel'. this interface is superior to RCA or XLR in my experience. so that is what i use between my dart pre and amps, an 8 meter pair of 'zeel' style Evolution Acoustics BNC's. then also between my King Cello tape repro (for my 2 Studer A-820's) i use a 13 meter pair of darTZeel's own BNC's as those tape decks are on the opposite side of the room. the 'zeel' cables can be any length and sound the same.

I've commented earlier in the thread on my speaker cables.
Calvin,

thank you for the kind words and comments in the 'spirit' of this thread,

@mikelavigne, you are slacking on your cable game. You got to get better ones. Lol. I'm rolling on the floor again laughing. On a serious note you seem to have an amazing system. Cheers!!! Lol.

sorry I'm not watching Audiogon every day so my responses are not always timely. the 'gon' interface keeps me away.

this week I did receive my second set of Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution 2 meter RCA's for my Lampizator Golden Gate 'dsd only' dac. again; I am quite amazed with the step up in overall performance I hear. and I've not yet placed them on my Audiodharma Cable Cooker yet.

allow me to explain my 'other' cables a bit, although any attempt at a serious comment on this silly thread is likely a waste of time. i use the new darTZeel NHB-18NS preamp and the NHB-458 mono blocks. darTZeel has their own proprietary interface using BNC connectors called 'zeel'. this interface is superior to RCA or XLR in my experience. so that is what i use between my dart pre and amps, an 8 meter pair of 'zeel' style Evolution Acoustics BNC's. then also between my King Cello tape repro (for my 2 Studer A-820's) i use a 13 meter pair of darTZeel's own BNC's as those tape decks are on the opposite side of the room. the 'zeel' cables can be any length and sound the same.

I've commented earlier in the thread on my speaker cables.
4orrel,

you are welcome. and I'd agree that few high end cables are high value purchases on an objective basis; Tara included.

the concept of 'overpriced' is a relative term based on a person's priorities.

OTOH based on my experience with the very top level interconnects and now my ownership of 2 sets of Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution interconnects that Audiolabyrinth might not be wrong. they could be the best. if there is any 'best'. I've not had Odin 2 or TA Magnum Opus in my system.
Audiolabyrinth,

Hi mikelavigne, did you know Dan D'Agostino invented the cable interface you have?, Dan did this when he was still with krell back in the late 90's, it is called krell cast

wrong.

the Krell CAST system has nothing to do with the 50ohm BNC interface of the darTZeel 'Zeel' interface. other than it's proprietary to a specific manufacturer.

they are totally different concepts.

and if we are discussing the Zeel interface compared to the Tara Labs, one only need go to page 3 of the August 2012 Review of the darTZeel NHB-458 monoblocks to read this snippet from Michael Fremer comparing what happened when he switched from his Tara Zero interconnects to the (10% as spendy) very very cheap 'Zeel'. snippet below.

At Delétraz's urging, and because I own one of his NHB-18NS preamps, I had substituted his 50 ohm, BNC-terminated, coaxial Zeel interconnect for my TARA Labs Zero. I don't have the space here to discuss transmission-line theory, or why Delétraz believes his Zeel connection is superior to any standard interconnect, especially in terms of eliminating electrical reflections. (Years ago, before he began making amps and preamps, he wrote a paper about this for Stereophile's November 2001 issue—also see this article.) In any case, the relatively inexpensive Zeel cable connection took everything I've described above to an even higher level of clarity, dimensionality, and harmonic and textural purity.

as great as the Tara Grandmaster Evolution I'm using is; if these new dacs had the zeel interface I would have used it instead of buying this crazy spendy cable. I think that the Grandmaster sounds better than the 'zeel' does.....but at 5% of the cost I would not have even thought about it.