what do you know"

There are no differences, it's in your head.

Try this experiment: gather 3-4 cables, from cheap $5 to as expensive you want to go. Get a friend you can trust and get him to randomly hook up the different cables. Tell him to be as tricky as he wants, and do this several times and make sure he records the results of which cables you prefer. Guarantee you will probably pick the $5 cables as often as the $1000 cable.

I have tried this experiment many times with so-called audiophiles. None can ever pick out the expensive cables. Placebo effect. BTW, all the wiring used inside your speakers and components are regular copper wire-nothing fancy, nothing 'magical'.

If someone can actually explain to me in scientific terms how speaker cables make an 'audible' difference I would shut up, but they can't and that's that.

And don't get me started n 'power cords'...

The people who claim they can hear a difference are too scared to b proven wrong, they won't do the test and will make excuses.

Speaker cable has NO MEASURABLE distortion, it's static...it transmits a signal, that's it.

Good luck!

Abucktwoeighty,

Likewise, if you believe in imaginary differences in speaker cables, fine. Don't force your beliefs on the folks who are new to the forums and have limited knowledge on the issue.

For some reason my previous post did not go through but I will reiterate.

Cyclonicman,

I will have a great Christmas! I don't think that comment was called for but I hope you have a great holiday yourself.

Blindjim,

Kept hot? energized? what are you talking about???

If the same rigorous testing conditions are not implemented during the demoing stage how do you truly know that the more expensive cables are better? Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the differences are so obvious comparing them in your system that you should be able to pick them out under blind conditions???

It's not a matter of 'believing' in the placebo effect, it's documented FACT--cable toasting is NOT.

Regards.

Abucktwoeighty,

read above. The difference you are hearing is the placebo effect. The truth of the matter is that electricity DOESN'T CARE that the wire it is traveling through has "5 dialectric layers of true ground float, hot fused with ProtecX treatment that is cryogenically treated".

IT'S STATIC!

There are hundreds of ways you can change the way a loudspeaker sounds in the crossover alone--just has nothing to do with the brand of wire used internally or externally.

Beyond length and gauge, you are paying for marketing and looks.

Here is some reading...I suggest people read it, regardless of what they truly believe, and put your own prejudices aside, and test you OWN theories that you can hear a difference. If it makes as big a difference as most claim you shouldn't need super rigorous testing conditions. All you have to do is point out which cable 'sounds' better.

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/spkcbl_e.html

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

http://www.axiomaudio.com/cabletruth.html

I know of two designers who use very basic cable in all of their designs and in their testing facilities. Alan Shaw and Vince from Totem. Alan uses 79 Strand copper and Vince uses a basic 14 gauge copper wire.

the above three links are actually all different.

Regards.

Cycloneisman,

If you hear it, you hear it?

placebo effect

noun
any effect that seems to be a consequence of administering a placebo; the change is usually beneficial and is assumed result from the person's faith in the product or preconceptions about what the product was supposed to do;

Also see subject-expectancy effect. ACTUALLY READ this stuff people. This is why it is SO important to engage in objective experiments like the aforementioned.

In other words: IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL!!!

Get over this fact and you can actually move on to enjoy the music.

BTW, what research papers are you referring too? Or are you inferring that they exist? If this is so why do you dogmatically dismiss them?

Furthermore, you use a very weak objection with regards to Newton's Laws. What do they have t do with electricity? Do you even have a basic understanding of electro-magnetic science?

I'm also not sure what you mean by this statement. If there is some 'mystical' force field beyond our 'human capacity' of understanding that is affecting the sound of our systems then how do the perpetrators of such high-end cables garner the knowledge to make them?

I'm confused????

Shadorne,

Yes, it is well made, relatively cheap and works fine.

Regards.

I should also note that I used to believe in high-end cable and even sold it when working in retail.

I even recommended it on these forums.

A few months ago I did a double blind test and I failed--BAD!!!

At the time I could have swore I heard differences but the results don't lie. I thought they were playing a joke on me by leaving the 'high-end' cables in all ten times. Several people were there and I participated in one of the tests for another fellow friend/audiofool. He failed too.

I'm really starting to get irritated with this forums censorship, especially as a CONTRIBUTING member who pays.

I put a lot of effort in long winded posts and when they don't get posted it's very irritating.

I am contemplating shutting down my account and never contributing a single dollar to this forum again if something doesn't change.

Rodman99999,

It's called reason, get some...