Vintage DIN phono cables, any good?


The question is about old DIN tonearm phono cables for the top of the line vintage Japanese tonearms. 
I wonder how good those old cables are compared to the mid priced new cables ?

For example an old Audio Craft, SAEC, Fidelity Research, SONY  cables made for their top of the line tonearms are good? It's easy to replace an old RCA connectors, but what about the cables? Some of them are silver and must be a good quality. 

Any thoughts? 
Thanks 
128x128chakster

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In my praise of the Eichmann, and now the KLE, bullet plug, I did not mean to slight the Xhadow.  It looks to be very well designed and certainly influenced by the Eichmann design.  Yes, I think I overheated at least one bullet plug in my lifetime, but I think I salvaged it.  I did melt an XLO XLR connector, but good.  Which is to say, I had to trash it.  I am not sure, but I think "Anti-Cable" Company recently switched from KLE to Xhadow connectors on its top line of cables.  I know and trust the owner, Paul Speltz; he is like we are, a serious listener, but he happens to be an EE and very smart in this field, as well.
Chakster, I just skimmed the review on 6 Moons.  Thanks for providing the reference.  I guess it's just me, but after 30-40 years of audiophilia, reviews like that make me gag.  At the same time, I have been using the Eichmann silver bullet plugs for as long as they have been available, because I see a sound philosophy behind their design, and because from the beginning, even with the copper Eichmann's, they just sounded better than the traditional "heavy metal" connectors, most notably the Cardas that I had been using prior.  (I make all my own ICs and power cords.) The only issue I have had with Eichmann Bullet plugs is that with some female RCA jacks, the ground connection is not readily made or is unstable.  Whenever I now use a Bullet plug, I try also to install a female Eichmann RCA jack to receive it; they work well together.

The Xhadow connectors may be competitive with Eichmann, but I will have to see for myself.  What I dislike about the review is the precision of language where precision of sonic memory and freedom from memory bias is impossible.  And I dislike that horrible term from Jonathan Valin, "tone colors".  It has now permeated the lexicon of every other second and third rate reviewer. 

The reviewer seems to dislike solder joints, preferring screw pressure connections.  A "good" solder joint should have the wire and the connector in contact with each other, in fact wrapped together when possible, so that the solder is only serving to hold the two elements in place.  If that's done properly, I don't see why it would not be at least as good as screw terminals.  Not only that, with screw terminals it is typically a good idea to "tin" the ends of the wires, especially if the wire is stranded, so as to keep the screw pressure from pushing the strands out of the way, instead of making the intended connection stable. Thus you end up with a screw pressing on solder. Moreover, does the reviewer realize that inside his Leben preamplifier, the signal is traversing dozens, if not hundreds, of solder joints?
FWIW, I use an aftermarket DIN to RCA phono cable on my FR64S with solid silver wiring.  My FR64S has the "silver inside" decal, so I thought it would be interesting to go all the way with silver.  An eBay vendor sold me the wires for a very reasonable price.
The Kenwood L07J tonearm on my L07D turntable pretty much mandates that you use its supplied cables, because of the one-off connector built into the base of the L07J.  Inside is what Kenwood deemed to be state of the art Litz-type wire, in around 1980.  It certainly seems OK, but I plan to bypass the whole shebang by running wires from the phono direct to the cartridge.  I never did care much for Litz wire; it tends to homogenize the sound so everything is "nice".